Updating Torghast this Week

[Abendroth-zuljin (Abendroth)]

Until they nerf those as well.

[Badgeese-zuljin]

You didn’t put in work, stop thinking you did.

Stop being so white.

[Dextar-stormrage]

Reading some of your other replies, you’re such a pleasant person to deal with.

[Hanazono-darkspear]

I did pre-nerf Layer 8 (both wings) on Tuesday, and after doing post nerf Layer 8 (Fractured Halls) can we please have an option to increase the difficulty?

It went from being a rough challenge where I actually had to kite and LoS casters to a DPSfest where nothing is threatening.

[Kryax-area-52]

I’m not white. but ok. LOL.

You still have time to delete this.

[Damniel-aerie-peak]

Okay, that’s fine. I already stated that I found multiple articles and most articles contain more games from the last twenty years than the previous decade. I’m sorry you’re stuck in the past- but games today are far harder than they have ever been. Especially when all these “lists” you keep referencing without any source. It’s clear that you’re in over your head. I’ll tell you what, give me your steam ID and your discord. I’ll buy you some truly hard games made in the last 10 years and you can stream them on Discord so I can have some entertainment as you fail to even get halfway through.

[Kryax-area-52]

I’m not trying to be your friend or earn your respect - my opinion bothers you? srynotsry.

[Sealoflawl-area-52]

@Tupacshekar-tichondrius

I’m glad Ion and the Dev team are making these changes! I’ve said time and time again how they are carefully taking in player feedback, and I am extremely proud to be a WoW Supporter during this expansion cycle! Thank you for working through the pandemic to provide us such a great expansion, folks!

Didn’t you say it was an intended design to create an impossible challenge?

And now they are changing it and you are also agreeing?

You’re a troll

[Amanichicoc-thrall]

@Kaivax

Since the launch of Shadowlands, we’ve been constantly evaluating and reacting to the player experience in Torghast, Tower of the Damned. In previous weeks, we’ve made surgical changes to address pain points. This week, with the opening of a much more difficult section of the tower, we’ve seen a great deal of feedback from players that we feel is best addressed with a whole slate of updates. Some of these changes have already gone live with hotfixes over the last 24 hours, and the rest will be applied to the game today (and possibly tomorrow).

In summary, we want to reduce the length of a Torghast run, increase players’ success rates for a few specializations that are struggling more than the others, and give players more options in dealing with the challenges that Torghast presents. Here are the changes we’re making:

Torghast, Tower of the Damned

• Health and damage of all creatures in Torghast reduced by 6% at Layer 1, increasing to 26% at Layer 8.
  • Developers’ note: The net effect should be that Layer 8 is now roughly as difficult as Layer 6 was prior to this change, with other Layers’ difficulty is reduced proportionally.
• Health of all creatures reduced for players in groups by up to 25%.
• Damage of all creatures reduced for 4- and 5-player groups by up to 20%.
• When the Empowered enemy at the end of a floor is a spellcaster, they should now have a longer delay between their basic magic damage spells.
  • Developers’ note: The goal of this change is to make powerful spellcasters less punishing for specializations that lack a frequent interrupt.
• For all classes, major cooldowns will now reset when you transition to a new floor.
  • Developers’ note: This functionality should mirror the way cooldowns reset at the end of a raid encounter, or when starting a Mythic Keystone dungeon, affecting most abilities with a cooldown of 3 minutes or longer.
• Anima Powers/Cells
  • The starting Anima Cell in Torghast now offers a stronger selection of Anima powers.
  • Anima Cells dropped by rare creatures within Torghast now always have at least 3 choices to choose from.
  • The chance for an Anima Cell to drop from a creature on any given floor has been increased.
  • Unnatural Power no longer provides immunity to crowd controlling effects at 10 stacks.
• Enemies
  • Massive Crusher’s Armor Plating cast time increased to 3 seconds (was 1 second) and can be interrupted and/or dispelled. Recast time increased to 16 seconds (was 8 seconds).
  • Tower Sentinel’s Oppressive Aura haste reduction and slow now scales up to 10% (was 25%).
  • Deadsoul Chorus’s Death Blast now reduces healing received by 15% and stacks 5 times (was 25% and stacks 4 times).
  • Skeletal Remains and Lumbering Creation’s Bone Shrapnel now marks the ground and then explodes after 2 seconds, giving players time to move away (was instant).
  • Deadsoul Stalker now fades away after 15 melee attacks (was 7) and remains hidden for 15 seconds (was 30 seconds).
  • Deadsoul Devil now reincarnates with 15% health remaining (was at 40% health).
• Bosses
  • Elder Longbranch’s Bounty of the Forest cast time increased to 4 seconds (was 2 seconds), time between casts increased to 45 seconds (was 30 seconds), and Hardened Shell now only requires 6 attacks or skills to remove (was 9 attacks).
  • Decayspeaker’s Hardened Shell now only requires 6 attacks or skills to remove (was 9 attacks).
  • Goxul the Devourer’s Health and damage decreased by 10%, and time between casts of Mass Devour increased to 36 seconds (was 18 seconds).
• Torments and Upper Reaches
  • Fracturing Forces and Eye of Skoldus enemies’ health and damage reduced by 50%, now increase assassin health by 5% per stack (was 10%).
  • Fracturing Forces and Eye of Skoldus enemies will no longer ambush players who have recently been in combat.
  • The Jailer’s Directive now increases health by 10% (was 50%).

You’ll find all of the changes above noted in our ongoing Hotfixes Update post soon after they go live.

Should have left Torghast alone was it was in beta. Make the powers better for rouge (they seem to be only ones complaining). But nope you guys have to try and force tanks and healers group with them to carry them.

It was a design issue. Fix that is the way to go and not force players to group together when this is sold as a solo content.

[Amarlan-tichondrius]

They aren’t trolling. Now whether it ends up that way is anyone’s guess.

These changes line up with what we were initially hearing out of beta. Everything I was reading anyways was that this first section was supposed to be pretty easy and that basically anyone could blow through them. How quickly that was done was basically up to what powers you got, but there was no real challenge in this initial release because it was designed for everyone.

The challenge part of it was to come with Twisting Corridors and its offering of cosmetic rewards.

The thought was it could be kept difficult because nothing with it was required, unlike this initial release and soul ash.

I think this is why you are seeing Ion discuss adding challenge when they get it " functioning correctly ". I get the sense that they didn’t really like where it was at either and that is going to take individual changes to abilities and maybe how the system hands out those abilities.

[Grimman-moon-guard]

Wouldn’t it be amazing

[Damniel-aerie-peak]

You’re not even finished with normal Castle, shut up. There’s plenty of challenging content.

[Unala-kirin-tor]

Okay and? Just because I’m not pushing 15 +, a heroic and Mythic Raider means I’m not allowed to enjoy the solo content which I pretty much exclusively do? I made a post saying that there should be difficulty modifiers, akin to the Halo skull system. I don’t want a challenge, I just want casual fun. Apparently I’m not the only one or they would not have changed this. And apparently there’s a lot of us. So Blizzard’s going to do what the majority wants.

[Nixxy-rexxar]

Uphill in the snow both ways?

[Leeph-alexstrasza]

Guys, I know it’s hard to believe, but you were spending more time a week doing daily mandatory chores in previous expansions than you were doing torghast twice a week. You just think it’s a huge, annoying time sink because you have to do it in a burst rather than in increments.

[anon47035836]

Yeah it’s called pugging not getting carried by a guild. Why you hiding behind your alt? Scared to show your progress?

[Adalia-moon-guard (Adalia)]

This is honestly so stupid. This is the first week that Torghast was actually fun for me. All the previous layers have just fallen over with no struggle at all. Some of the changes are good, like removing the CC immunity on elites/bosses (like why was that ever a thing?). The soulstalkers were hitting way too hard in even layer 7, harder than the last boss. They’d take off half my pet’s health in one hit. That’s messed up and that needed to be brought in line. I found layer 8 Upper Reaches way easier than layer 7 of the other simply because of the soulstalkers. But nerfing it to the ease of layer 6? That’s stupid. The average person /shouldn’t/ be able to get through layer 8 at the moment. I mean, given that it’s the hardest thing available atm, it should be intended to be worked through in heroic or mythic raid gear.

I’m okay with some targeted fixes (like the CC thing, which should make things significantly better for squishier classes like mages and rogues). I’m okay with buffing underperforming powers. I’m okay with fixing things that are out of line with the rest of the difficulty, like how hard the soulstalkers were hitting. I am not okay with a blanket nerf to make layer 8 as much of a joke as layer 6 was.

[Shamrond-lightbringer]

But can you imagine grinding through 18 floors of this crap in one sitting with assassins spawning on top of you every time you stop to peek around the corner? It honestly sounds horrible. If the rewards are purely cosmetic, I guarantee that 99% of players will not even set foot in there. They’re going to have to backtrack on that and sweeten the pot with extra anima, soul ash, and/or raid-level gear.

[Autumnblaze-stormrage]

I’m not sure how I feel about this. Is Torghast supposed to be a challenge at higher levels, I mean you can clear floor 3 and be set, there are really no rewards for doing higher levels at the moment.

[Macmurphy-kirin-tor (Macmurphy)]

How bout a feat of strength for beating both layers 8 pre-nerf? There wasn’t even an achievement or anything