Thats just silly. ElvUI did nothing for me other than skin. It literally had the same proc animations as the default bar, neither of which are any great boon to combat. The literal only difference was the look of the background and borders of the bars, as well as padding.
Blizzard could have, oh I dunno, stopped using addons as a crutch as admitted by Ion, and actually buckle down and make good fights that dont need addons. We already know they can. They changed the Gambit 1st boss so where all players can see the Rune locations to dunk.
They could have stripped all addons period from ONLY Mythic raids, where its supposedly the only place they are ‘truly needed’. They could have just said “No addons for RWF race”.
They could have done half a dozen things, instead they broke addons that have nothing to do with combat beyond hooking into what Blizzard themselves shows on their default bars.
And btw guys, I love how rarely people point out the hypocrisy. They claim to want to make fights that dont need DBM and WAs, but then they add in that stuff, at a far lesser functionality.
Something aint right about this whole sitch, to me.
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They are building in their own version of DBM/Bigwigs called a combat timeline and have claimed it will have sound alert options for boss abilities, as well as for player cooldowns and procs with the updated cooldown manager.
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Okay, great, but that doesn’t change the fact that the addon itself provided that functionality. Even if you didn’t use it for that, it still provided that, so now it’s broken.
Except that they aren’t the ones using it as a crutch. We are. All the encounters that Blizzard has designed can be completed using the base UI. How do I know that? Because for starters I use the base UI and secondly, in order for those addons to function when a new raid comes out, those bosses had to be killed on the PTR without that data being available.
Now we could have ditched the crutches at any time, when any patch broke addons like WA, DBM, Skada or Details, we could have said “Alright, well I’m tired of needing DBM to raid, time to get used to not having it.” We, however, chose to become reliant on them, and Blizzard in turn, knowing that we had them, started to design encounters around that fact. Which is what has put us in the position we’re in now.
We are just as responsible for this mess as Blizzard is.
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This is specifically the sort of thing the overall design goals of Midnight are supposedly going to fix.
They want to make it so you don’t have mountains of useless information to sort through. Or at least they want to make sure everybody has the same challenge of sorting through information.
Obviously we’re losing a lot of customization capabilities, but if they don’t fix this sort of thing, the addon changes will be pretty misguided.
You seem to be misunderstanding. Breaking the combat portions isn’t the issue. Breaking the QoL and UI customizations is the issue.
And that’s blocked for even basic things like moving and reskinning of unit frames.
It wasn’t supposed to be.
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There’s A LOT of Devs in companies that don’t play the game at all. Which then falls on us in testing, which then ends up being ignored when bringing something up or fixed. Sounding familiar? Lol
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Why anyone would have faith that Blizzard can provide a worthwhile UI with a completely gutted dev staff is just beyond me. I hope they pull it off, but I have serious concerns.
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The thing is, no one has faith. And a lot of the API is still blocked. So we may all get screwed.
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No, I’m not misunderstanding.
I’m telling you that the reason that specific addon got broken was because it was pulling combat data and displaying it. Meridyth quite literally says it was pulling that data. And that’s why it’s broken, even though they were only using it for the skin. It did more than just what a skin does, so it got busted.
If it wasn’t pulling any of that data and it still got broken? Then no, obviously that’s not intended. There are apparently a few addons which have been hit by these changes when they shouldn’t be, and Blizzard is already aware of that issue and has said they are going to address it.
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That’s great. But this is a larger issue than just simply that one.
It’s why I posted this thread, so that people understand where we’re at right now.
So you didn’t read or watch what I linked. Or even read the OP. Got it.
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Then why are you trying to correct me when I am talking about that specific one?
I mean, really, you reply to me, you tell me I am ‘misunderstanding’ and then when I correct the record, you tell me that this is a bigger issue (obviously, which I never said it wasn’t), and now we’re here.
If you see someone being specific and it’s obvious they’re being specific? Maybe next time don’t try to correct them.
Because you’re making it about one specific addon when that was just one example of issues with UI customizations and QoL.
And since you didn’t address the second portion of my reply, then I’m correct in that you didn’t read the OP or the links.
Otherwise you wouldn’t have made the obvious statement you did, which was talked about why it’s a concern that they claim they’re fixing it but can’t.
Please be informed of the whole topic next time. Thanks.
I replied to that individual, talking about their specific addon that was broken…
Obviously…
But one post does not make a thread, and I was not replying to everyone’s posts trying to minimise the issue.
Next time don’t reply to me unless you actually have a good reason to.
Thanks.
Putting you on ignore for a month.
I had a good reason. And you didn’t even read the thread or the information given. Otherwise you’d understand the frustration.
If I were a full-time addon developer, I would have already started looking for a new job.
No, Ion literally admitted they used addons as a crutch to be lazy in terms of fight design, it was in the anniefusha interview.
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He’s not reading anything to stay up to date with the information. He didn’t even read this OP or the links I put into it. 
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He literally did not say that. What timestamp are you looking at because that is not at all what I got from that interview?
I cant remember. I know he said it somewhere though.
No, but they understand business much better than you do.