lol thanks for the laugh.
This argument completely misses the mark. Ashbringer’s damage output, while strong, does not automatically make it the best PvP weapon, nor does it invalidate its stamina loss as a serious trade-off. PvP is about survivability just as much as damage, and sacrificing stamina in a high-pressure fight is far more costly than you’re making it out to be.
The idea that warriors can generate 30% of their damage from Ashbringer alone is misleading at best. Raw numbers don’t tell the full story. High burst means nothing if you die instantly because you lack the durability to sustain a fight. You act like the stamina loss is a trivial drawback, but in reality, that missing health pool costs players fights more often than it wins them.
And let’s talk about consistency. You’re arguing Ashbringer is somehow overwhelmingly broken while defending Ret’s shortcomings. If damage alone was the defining factor in PvP balance, plenty of other weapons and specs would need nerfs, yet those aren’t being called out. The selective focus here makes it clear that this is less about balance and more about pushing an exaggerated narrative.
The bottom line is simple. Ashbringer is strong, but it’s far from some untouchable PvP weapon that warps the game. If players want to claim it needs balancing, they need to present actual evidence beyond just raw damage numbers. Otherwise, it’s just another exaggerated claim built on bad logic.
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It’s horde being clowns and needing more crutches whilst nerfing alliance abilities/classes.
To drive that point even further, you need to get 5 stacks from the life leech AND an grand inq proc to even unlock the actual burst. Easier achieved by just fighting a 1v5 but in solo play it isn’t consistent.
As of current state, if you play a warrior, you might aswell go tank in PvP due to increased survivability AND having actual damage thanks to the defenders resolve that unfortunately works against players rather than being a PvE only thing.
This goes for literally a majority of tanks, tanks literally hit harder than some PvP specs which is absurd and just broken. Shamans/Warriors/Ferals hit way harder as tanks than actual DPS.
Sinister Strike, rogues combo gen can hit plate users for 1.4k per hit, and since they are tanks they can also take the damage or just straight avoid it (also goes for other tanks in PvP). This is just untested and overlooked which is INSANE.
More things that hit harder than rets DS/CS and warriors OP/MS:
- Boomie Starfire/Starfall/DoTs
- Hunter ADHD Killshot/Multishot/Chimera Shots
- Melee Hunters Raptor Strike/Mongoose Bite
- Shaman Lava Burst/Chain Lightning
- Rogue Ambush/Backstabs
- SP Mindflay/Mindblast/DoTs.
- Warlock DoTs
- Mage IceLance
- CringeDin HolyShocks and Exorcisms
Literally a majority of classes hit harder and have other things going for themselves in PvP UNLIKE Warriors and Rets.
Like wake the f up Devs and tell your team to make PvP an actual good experience, and whilst you are at it fix the blatant OP racials on horde by reverting them to WoTLK levels + add an actual heal reduction that has an impact on healers.
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So the language in this post is a little vague. It quote states “Finish the fight to the end, and your reward will be granted on July 1”.
What does “Finish the fight to the end” mean exactly? If we die during the encounter, but our group beats Balnazzar does that actual count towards the boost?
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yes while you may have died during the fight but since your group killed him and you completed the encounter so yes you should have the free boost
No. It isnt vague. Finish the fight literally means kill the boss. Just like its always meant.
Thank you for SOD! Please consider starting a fresh while you’re cooking up plus.
Rather have a transfer from SoD to anniversary knowing full well my gear and runes would be stripped. Throw in a title or let us keep our now classic mounts. Rather do that than play Mist!
Please let us take our winnings from SoD like mounts and gear into retail! Itd be so amazing to do so and would keep so many versions of wow alive!
LOL NO!!! Absolutely NOT!!!
Transferring mounts and gear from SoD to Retail would have significant unintended consequences, particularly regarding rare and unobtainable items. The Black Qiraji Battle Tank, Raptor, and ZG Tiger mounts were deliberately removed from availability, making them prestigious rewards tied to specific historical events. Allowing SoD players to bring these into Retail would devalue their rarity, undermining the exclusivity of past achievements.
Additionally, Tier 3 is already available in Retail, making its transfer completely unnecessary. T3.5 from SoD also doesn’t belong in Retail, as it was designed for a separate game ecosystem. Bringing these items over blurs the intended distinctions between Classic and Retail, reducing the meaningful separation Blizzard has maintained.
Retail and Classic serve different purposes—Retail focuses on constant progression resets, while Classic preserves historical authenticity. Merging rewards from one into the other diminishes the identity of both versions rather than strengthening them. If you want SoD rewards, they should remain in SoD, just as Retail-exclusive items don’t carry over into Classic.
Enhmypants using an alt now.
Turn off the bold words on your chat ai and it won’t look so obvious.
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I am amazed you actually used your keyboard for once to type something original.
Oh wait…nvm.
“ChatGPT, please do this for me”
“Im so smert…ty ChatGPT”
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Resorting to insults instead of counterpoints is a clear sign of having no real argument. You claim you’re ‘amazed’ I typed something original—yet your own response is nothing more than dismissive remarks, completely unoriginal and avoiding actual discussion.
On the actual topic, I stand by my original statement: transferring mounts and gear from SoD to Retail has significant unintended consequences. However, the framing here ignores the larger issue—SoD and Retail operate on completely different design philosophies. Retail thrives on seasonal resets and progression churn, while Classic is meant to preserve historical authenticity (which Blizzard continues to undermine). Mixing items from one into the other dilutes the identity of both versions, leading to a loss of exclusivity in SoD and unnecessary redundancy in Retail.
The unobtainable mounts, like the Black Qiraji Battle Tank, ZG Tiger, and Raptor, were removed for a reason—to maintain their prestige and historical significance. Tier 3 is already available in Retail, making its transfer pointless, and T3.5 from SoD serves no purpose in Retail’s ecosystem. The real issue isn’t just individual item availability—it’s how cross-expansion reward transfers distort progression and player investment. Retail-exclusive content doesn’t carry over into Classic/SoD, so why should Classic/SoD-exclusive content transfer to Retail?
Instead of relying on petty AI accusations, maybe try engaging with the actual argument.
How many keys did you have to press for that garbage?
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No one wants to interact with this slop. It’s time to stop.
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If by
you mean factual arguments that dismantle emotionally charged and self-contradictory takes, then sure, keep coping. The reality is simple my points/posts cut through the noise and expose the weakness in every post with opposing views, which is precisely why you’d rather wave them off instead of engaging. It’s easier to say ‘stop’ than to actually counter with logic, but that just confirms what we already know when confronted with facts, you and other straw grasping post movers flop around like a fish out of water.
I am not engaging with you for the reasons already stated other than to tell you to stop using ai.
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Oh, the irony—you claim you’re
yet here you are, actively engaging just to tell me to stop using AI. Not only is that a contradiction, but it’s also based on nothing—you have no proof, just an assumption made out of convenience.
If dismissing arguments without addressing them is your best defense, that just proves what we already knew—you have no counterpoint, only avoidance.
You’re embarrassing yourself.
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Oh, the irony—you’re here, choosing to engage in a discussion, yet instead of presenting an actual rebuttal, you resort to empty insults. If anyone’s failing at debate etiquette, it’s the person avoiding counterpoints entirely. (That would be you and)
If my arguments were truly flawed, you’d address them. Instead, you offer nothing—no logic, no facts, just an attempt to dismiss without substance. That’s not debate; that’s deflection. So tell me, how exactly am I ‘embarrassing myself’ when I’m the only one actually contributing to the conversation?