try to convince everyone to go to ibgy. if you can do that, you have a shot. otherwise, theres really no chance.
It’s pretty sad that some people are so deep into their factional bias that they believe this to be a genuine solution.
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Your adaptation was crying until Blizz gave you multiple changes you were begging for.
So you’re saying you think Alliance need to be far louder in demanding changes for us? Cuz that is the ‘strategy’ Horde came up with.
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And yet we do not have 25% of our teams afk/leeching. 
I live for the day that you acknowledge that meeting mid FOS is actually worse for you than meeting at SH with NPC support.
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Honestly, if the alliance didn’t premade into organized groups, could they win a respectable percentage in av despite the odds being stacked against them?
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I just wish there was a mercenary queue for wsg and av, and have a pre made queue. How hard is that?
Oh we did adapt to the major faction imbalance + bots and Rep farmer, so only people that wanted to play would queue together.
Then horde QQ’d for weeks about that, and got the changes they wanted so they could win 99% of the game.
Then the same horde says: git gud and adapt… Funny.
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At best that’s a chicken and egg thing though. A lot of those people who are just afk in the back leeching are formerly people who played hard, and can play well - I know a few of them personally, to my chagrin. They’ve given up trying because they don’t see any added benefit in it to them. Myself, I’m not capable of not trying in the slightest, it just goes too against the grain for me. But because when they do try, they see no difference in the outcome (because one person can’t make up for 39 other people), so they just don’t bother. The honor is the same for them - or ironically, it’s often better, because they’re earning way more than those people who do try and sneak south to do objectives, since they get all the HKs from the main fight plus those objectives.
Fast games and hph? It hasn’t been about fast games since the change. Even when premades used the initial workaround that first week, the 7 minute strategy was dead due to the amount of time from the artificial queues. And Honor per Hour, like it or not, is THE metric for ranking, for both Horde and Alliance. It’s governing the actions of both sides, so don’t kid yourself.
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You should have joined the AV I was just in OP. 30 min Alliance win, they pushed us hard from IBGY all the way into our base.
Dont play something u dont enjoy. AV is rekt for alliance unfortunately so do something else. U will end up hating the game i think if u continue like this.
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It can happen. The problem is it’s exceedingly rare, and requires basically everything to go right for the Alliance, and everything wrong for the Horde.
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Forget the wand man, just stop queueing for AV. The honor for alliance in there is nothing special; WSG, even with 50%+ premade gy camping games, is similar honor, and much much more fun when you get those pug vs pug games.
The only thing that went right for the Alliance this match is the played better than us. They won the PvP, and none of the map related stuff mattered after that.
Stop comparing this game to vanilla. This is classic wow.
Uh? No? Our strategy changed. To the extent that Alliance cannot beat us WITHOUT a premade.
Cheating is not adapting, and stopping cheating is not changing things so we can win. It’s stopping you from cheating your wins. When Horde faced up against full premades, you guys went for 6 minute shut out wins, and we adjusted to that. Now that you can’t cheat, you can’t win. Sucks to be you.
So what are you saying then? Classic Alliance players are that much worse than Vanilla Alliance players? Or are you saying Horde is just THAT much better?
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Videos or I don’t believe it.
It is absolutely about quick games for those afking. How are you not seeing this? A quick loss is a mark of honor, and any other honor or rep the actual active players can provide them to leech. You cannot boot them from the BG anymore, and they get no repercussions from their server mates in the way of accountability.
Fast games also contribute to many giving up if the initial clash doesn’t work out to your (alliance) benefit. Which likely happens due to the above mentioned afkers/leeches.
It absolutely a factor.
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I stand by what I said. The alliance needs:
- A single decent leader
- People that will listen to said leader
- to have a minimal number of AFKs/leechers/sub 60s/etc
- to successfully execute the strategy
- not have people go off on their own doing things like trying to grab LTs instead of necessary objectives
And on top of all that, they need the Horde to not push fast enough/defend hard enough. Arguably the only advantage that the Alliance has now, such as it is, is that the Horde now are complacent and in many cases still play like they’re guaranteed a win.
And really, that’s what gets me about AV of late - it’s not that Horde win most of the time, it’s that the Horde are so utterly dominant that they absolutely control not only the map, but the pace of the game, in 90%+ of the matches.
But do you see what I mean about needing everything to be right? Horde can have almost none of those 6 things, and still win.
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The wand from scholo would be yours if you ran it the same amount of time that you have spent in AV.
The offhand is BiS, be happy you are exalted in the amount of time it takes horde to queue for a 10th of the amount of games you have played.
Update: all your gear left for warsong and wondering why consistently losing when remainder has a good percentage of afk and botters. Blame the premades that were fed free honor for weeks before the fix. After av this allowed them to form ezmode warsong rank 10 geared groups instead of diving back into av with their winnings. Their abuse of pugs during that time by leaving them to start matches with 15 people also produced a side-effect of people not trying and simply afking to leech honor. When blizzard takes too long to implement a fix to an exploit this is the end result.
This is what’s known as a cascading effect due to a company that cba to close loopholes in a timely manner.