its all right there go look at them.
Bm had it worse. The 3.0 nerf hit bm so hard it went from a top performer to a meme overnight.
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As soon as that happened people went surv. Tbc bm was like tbc ret fun and good damage. Bm was by far the #1dps but i hate to ay it you play a tridps class i really doubt their buffing any of those.
The sad part is fixing bm is extreamly easy. Just alter the percentage of stats bm pet inherits from the hunter. And to have 0 pvp balance effect isnt hard either.
Make a 7th teir for pet talents which only beast mastery talented hunters can get to.
Big game hunter. Increase the offensive stats the pet inherits from the hunter by X% when in combat with a target that is a higher level than the hunter.
And fixed.
All end game pvp is lvl 80 so no one is a higher level than the hunter. So no pvp effect. And bm hunter now scales better.
Its an extreamly easy fix that can easily be tuned as well.
Not a single one of the warrior’s three specs is S tier or even A tier until late into ICC. When is that going to be addressed? A warrior right now doesn’t even have the option to spec change to be brought to raid. Paladins did. Where is the logic in these changes?
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If your Ret is beating others that speaks to how many bad players are in your guild. Ret is still D tier, and still the worst dps spec of CLASSES THAT HAVE OTHER DPS SPECS
It’s as though every ret is oblivious to how good they are in ICC and are just throwing a tantrum for now
In ICC we will see Ret is overpowered posts
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Okay, revert the chance in ICC then if it turns out to be a problem.
Nerf Ret? My god, imagine the tears…
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You do realize I main a ret and would have no problems with this being reverted if it actually turned out to be a problem right?
I doubt it will though, but I’m willing to concede that it might at the time.
Yes, but you’re a rational person. Most pallies aren’t. 
Most people aren’t and more people play Pally than any other class…
Edit: I’d say DK are runner up but they’re mostly played by bots ;p
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Never judge a person by his chosen class 
I didn’t judge you. I judged the others. Every rule has its exception.
(Casts Judgement of Wisdom)
you don’t know what a nerf is vs a bug. you sir are the ignorant one.
Really, so copious amounts of posts about exploiting “snapshotting” isn’t buggy? My god. Arguing for the sake of arguing again!
you did? i don’t remember it but you’re being a typical ret who thinks they should be atop the charts when your class performs like hot garbage. sorry, no dice. you can feel craft your way to the top all you want. but ret was objectively a poor class in wrath until icc. the fact ret was beating them shows how terribly tuned these classes were or how poorly they scaled.
Wrong I’m not a “typical Ret who thinks I should be chart topping”, if you actually read my posts and calm down from your over emotional state, please read my posts. i’ll explain it again. We were B+ to A tier dps, not “S” tier, the entire expansion, the numbers for classes being displayed on Warcraft logs are totally different to original, and that is expected somewhat due to using the last patch and using Patch 3.0 to Patch 3.1 gearing. BUT if you were approximately what would be known as a 85-99 parsing Ret Paladin back in a day, no matter the point in the expansion, you would be near top dps vs even the 90-99 parsing locks etc! Not Hunters/Rogues, BUT Locks! Ele shaman/enhance shaman/balance druids etc were NOWHERE to be found on the meters! A disparity would be expected due to the class changes, favouring casters (ie locks, ele shaman, balance druids mainly as they were buffed over time), but a 40% disparity means there is something more serious going on, which is why I personally have talked to top notch players and looked for other data around this. You just make generalised statements, like you are yet again with no understanding of what i’ve said nor read what i’ve said. You are exceedingly rude and ignorant! This statement claim of who I am is totally wrong if you’d remotely read what i’ve said. It wasn’t it was solid! We had a nerf from “S” tier at the start of Wrath prepatch!
already have. we’re living 3.3.5 in the live. but affliction locks were never this good argument does fly when we they have 3.3.5 patches. sorry it doesn’t carry weight anymore we aren’t in patch 3.1 or 3.2 we are in patch 3.3.5. its just labeled 3.4.1.whatever.
Were living 3.3.5 with bugs and exploits! Is what we are living
but you have you. and are. because affliction locks are atop the the charts. and rets are not. you’re eating that pill every day. and you’ll continue to eat it.
Yeah they are, and they should be closely monitored in terms of player exploits and changes in addons and gameplay and bugs to ensure they are doing roughly what they were doing in Classic WotLK, which they are not atm, they are like doing 50% more damage in comparison! It’s unacceptable! And that is not within the norms of the last patch and gearing, no class will cover that gap with a 2 pce T10 bonus! You just can’t seem to grasp that concept!
bruh. i’ve looked at the article its trash. where are those logs? oh right they don’t exist unless you can prove it. with a link it doesn’t matter. 30k is nonsense maybe on a busted scaling private server. pulease.
If you typed into youtube “Ensidia Hodir heroic” you’ll find the video I talked about…it’s very easy to find! Again childish reply! And sheer rudeness, arrogance and ignorance displayed. It’s from World of Logs the official centralised logged data, the author says he talked to the developer and obtained the data! I mean i’m loving these continued posts by you, it just proves my point, you have no idea, nor do you read, just opinionated is all! And your opinion is not worth a grain of salt sadly!
i have. i’ve looked every objective patch there has been for wrath. nothing has changed you the way you think it has from then to now. you need to live with the reality ret just sucked in 3.3.5 thats all there is to it. we are literally in patch 3.3.5 right now. tell me why ret isn’t good? it ain’t your seal of blood thats causing you to be crap its the fact they were just crap in that patch. no nerfs no redesigns.
Where? Where have you said once where I can find this definitive evidence of yours? It’s just “your opinion” You have no idea what you are talking about. You are a low self esteem self righteous person abusing people in a forum, talking about something you have put ZERO time into, with no tangible data to input in a positive way. Just abuse and negativity all centred around your fragile ego!
The current state of the game has absolutely nothing to do with Seal of the Martyr/Blood changes! They were already done, and as i’ve said a million times, Ret was still B+ to A tier dps! We were not E tier damage at any stage of WotLK, after ANY changes! We would, to use the word “parse”, in relation to Warcraft Logs now, be top 8 damage dealers in a 25 man in an absolute insane guild like Ensidia etc, against 90-99 parsing experts, beyond that, if we were in a guild that wasn’t cutting edge, we would be literally number 1 dps, if WE were parsing 85-99~ and other classes weren’t parsing so well, such as hunters/rogues, Locks were not even in the picture! Nor many casters bar mages! And I actually agree with your last statement, I don’t like using a tank ability glyphed to cover up the screwed up nature of this game right now! As a major corporation who has access to all data from back then, there are major issues with their game and they should have had it balanced better!
how we making up 40% damage disparity with a 6% buff from 2 pce T10 mate? I just can’t work that one out! Locks aint gonna be scaling back, theyre gonna remain in the current position, along with rogues, I mean the real danger is rogues, they weren’t this strong, and they’re gonna get insanely strong with ArP! The numbers are all over the shop!
I hope they do revert this knee jerk change, it’s not “classic”, it’s not a representation of the original gameplay, why would you even bother to make a “classic” variant if it isn’t a replica of that time?
I want it reverted, then we can look at the remaining data we actually have, from the surviving Engadget data from World of Logs, and compare the positioning of classes on those boss fights! Ret will be stone motherless last at the moment. Extra Haste and a 2 pce set bonus on T10 aint gonna bridge 40% damage disparity! Where all classes whether average or top parsing were 10% apart! Just simply not going to be the case! Blizzard needs to look at their internal numbers and sort their game out! It’s what they’re paid to do!
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I don’t agree with this - Rogues were always strong in WoTLK. One of the strongest classes in fact. I remember my Warlock always competing with the Assassin Rogue for top spot. It’s their expac.
If anything Combat having had a strong start has fallen off - unexpectedly. They should be doing better with the ilvl buff but are actually doing worse comparatively.
I generally agree with your contention that something is off with how some physical dps are performing though.
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They were “Strong” but i’m just saying 40% better than melee? Up there with locks? I agree they were at the real high end, well and truly above Ret dps. I’m just concerned they are “waaaaayyyyyyy” too strong with continued gearing is all. Are we going to see a widening even more at the top end?