No, the one that doesn’t fit is yours.
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i want foresaken druids with drust forms. drust magic is death magic.
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Watch out, that’s bad fore the lore. How dare you try to expand and flesh it out.
Ans that is how it destroys class fantasy. Not every race is equal. Peoole scream “homogenization bad” but then ask for eveey class every race just stupid
Yes it is, you’re just ignoring it.
See, lore doesn’t matter because I can give you exactly why this wouldn’t happen from a Lightforged Draenei perspective and you would just handwave it with “lol outliers”.
It’s tiring, so I’m probably gonna stop here, especially since you went here:
And here we are again, at the position that it doesn’t matter.
Just like I said would happen. Just like always happens. Every time, without fail.
No it isn’t. It was already stated that it is cosmetic thing only. THe man’ari did come back but they aren’t really a playable race. The skin thing is just that, cosmetic, like the night warrior did for night elves.
I mean, the whole aspect of Warlocks is outliers delveing deeper for more power. If a lightforge dreanei got a taste of power and wanted to go deeper, they would. Lightforging is not a form of brainwashing.
Good, glad we hash that out. Because you are confusing in game stuff to actual canon lore.
Class fantasy is vastly different from race fantasy. They are not connected.
…what?
Worgen were in Vanilla. They could die in Vanilla. They were in Lorderon.
On what grounds couldnt Arthas have raised them?
Yeah…I know.
Before he was the Lich King? He didn’t have the max powers to raise them. The curse of Goldrinn literally stops them from being raised into undeath, hence why some people choose to become worgan, so the valkrys, necromancers or death knights would not be able to raise them.
With the Helm of Domination, both Bolvar and Arthas tapped into something more to raise them, something vastly more powerful than normal necromancy to break through the curse.
This is canon?
yes (10 char)
They are connected because a race and its origins and way of life heavily i fluence their class choices. The orcs from draenor and their shamanistic heritage… the humans (alliance) and their worship of the light making them the original paladins and the base for all paladins in wow, the nightelves and their druid powers heavily tied to their race and elune worship.
I wont complain when you make every race a warrior , but other classes have heavy racisl undertones and those are getting screwed up BAD.
Oh, 100%
Again, I am with you.
100% agree
That I do not agree with. Races in the game explore and evolve over time. They start to learn from other cultures and change as well. That isn’t getting screwed up, that is just exploring who they are. Like the sunwalkers. They saw what the light can do, certain sect of druids started to worship the sun and boom, now they are mostly paladins and learn to wield the light as priests as well.
That makes sense culturally for them. Class and race are not connected. But they can be later on. Like how Kul’tiran shamans are just humans, same wtih gilenans and druids, who never forgot the old ways before Lorderion pushed the light worship hard.
Or how the Orcs didn’t understand the Arcane as much back on Dreanor but now on Azeroth, after decades of being there and new orcs growing up with more mages around, knowledge being brought in and out from traders and the Horde aligning themselves with the elves, Arcane knowledge is spreadying and the Orcs, who want to learn, now can.
i see what you did there.
If we go by “they can learn” we fall into the same basket of forcing every race to be every class.
Things like draenei warlock, Goblin shaman and tauren/trol dpaladin are the biggest offenders imo.
I am sure anyone can makeup a “vulpera paladin” or “undead druid” backstory of how they learned, that doesnt make it any valid. When you add more races to classes it hurst the stablished lore.
Warrior hunter rogue and maybe mage are your baseline classes anyone could seemingly do (mages I dont agree to be open). Outside of them it just sucks
Tauren rogues have existed since Vanilla.
I get it im old but yeah they’ve always existed, just like Troll Druids and Troll warlocks.
Every race every class is a terrible addition to the game and really hurts world building. It’s what makes ffxiv feel terrible and the races not to feel like actual races because they have no world building for them in game.
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And I am 100% okay with that.
Draenei warlocks? The legit people who became the burning legion? Yeah, no, never them. Warlocks are outliers of their people. Of course a Draenei will be a warlock in secret.
Goblin Shamans are the freaking best. They are more Elemental engineers and spirtual contractors than shamans and I love that about them. They are still shamans based on their magics and abilities but culutrally, they are different.
tauren/trol dpaladin are the biggest offenders imo.
You mean they found out how to use the light differently from humans? You don’t say! ALso they aren’t paladins lore wise, they are sunwalkers and prelates.
No it doesn’t, it expands on it.
That is your opinion. But I gladly disagree. Having a brain and studying the arcane isn’t something that should be closed.
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Yeah it’s almost like the only reason things are unique to the majority of the races is because they were in the right place at the right time. Night Elves were Arcane focused until they broke everything and then went “Whoops, let’s try something else lol”.
Humans had barely any Arcane knowledge into the Elves trained them in return for helping defend Quel’thalas. And now Humans are some of the strongest mages around.
Dwarven Paladins and Priests exist because the Dwarves hung around Humans for so long they started doing Light-related things.
You’re basically saying “Yeah if I lived exclusively with Shamanistic Orcs for a hundred years I’d be ignorant of how Shamanism works and there wouldn’t be a single Human Shaman ever because that’s Orc stuff.”
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See Ive done these debates so many times I already knew this was coming… they are paladins theie clsss says paladin their spells their sets their xmogs everything is from the alliance paladins… hammers swords beams of light, prayer, worship etc. The sunwalker prelate excuse doesnt holdup when reality is they are named paladins and are to be considered paladins
Again, if you believe anyone “can learn” then we will never come to terms. Thst is the biggest flaw / crossroad and the sole reason for classes to mean nothing now because anyone can be because "they can ofcourse! (Insert bs reasoning here and send it)
I just love how perfectly this argument reflects real life.
You have narcissistic people screeching how they are different and want to be one of a kind and how appropriating cultures is bad and we should respect others traditions/values.
At the same time they all strive and succeed at looking like carbon copies of one another and screech how every one should be the same physically and mentally.
Asinine
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