Now this is a Race I can get behind.
Snek? Check
Fork tongue? Check
Scales? Check
Not a elf? CHECK!
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10/04/2018 09:13 PMPosted by Bretherezen<span class="truncated">...</span>
Worgen and Pandaren. Also Draenei have animal qualities. Just because Worgen used to be human it doesn't make them any less of a beast race now.
Draenei have animal qualities? Where? Their legs? Hardly. Their tentacles from their face? Hardly. As I said: They are less beast than they are humanoid. They don't even look beastial at all. Get the facts straight.
Pandaren don't look harmful in any way, and their entire design philosophy isn't militaristic, nor aggressive. Putting the Shado-Pan aside, and maybe Chen as well, and what Pandaren do you know of that puts up any sort of a fight? They're chubby, fat, and all-around lazy; A side gimmick in World of Warcraft lore, who the vast majority of in their own questing zones are literally Kung Fu Panda lazy farmers that don't know the sky is up, and the Earth is down at their feet...
And yes, it does make them less of a beast race. Don't ignore the fact that all a Worgen is is literally a cursed Human being. Take the curse away, which is entirely possible given how Warcraft lore functions, and you're just a boring Human. You can even change back in to your less-frail Human self again, but because of clunky design logic, you auto-flip Worgen with the slightest bit of aggression, lol. Hardly a beastial race when your entire "race" is just a rehashed Human with an added curse.
The Sethrak race is a 100% entirely different beast.
Funny though that you don't seem to comprehend any of that.
Beastial doesnt mean mean rabid monster. It means a race based on an animal, IE 'beast'
Worgen are based on wolves. Beastial.
Pandaren are based on pandas. Beastial.
I never said draenei were a beast race, only that they had animal qualities such as goat legs and a tail. Sethrak are based on snakes. Bestial.
Worgen are also far more ferocious and savage than Sethrak are. Sethrak have complex societies based around faith. They dont live in mud huts and use stone axes like most horde races do. Sounde like theyd fit right in with Alliance to me.
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10/04/2018 10:37 PMPosted by GrayphusAnd frankly, many of those who do not want to sethrak just want this, to see the disappointment of the alliance.
I'm not saying i'm not down for a playable Sethrak.
But you're missing a lot of key points:
1) Do not, absolutely do not, fit in to the Alliance. Even on the Alliance design scheme, they do not.
2) Their motives are not in line with the Alliance whatsoever.
2B) They team up with some of the Horde and the Alliance to save a few of their own people and to depose some traitors. So what? You think that gives you the right to beg and claw for them to be added to your Faction? It doesn't work that way.
3) There's zero links between the Sethrak and the Alliance beyond a random act of kindness, and a Sethrak needing your help for the sake of his people. There's no goal that can link the Sethrak and the Alliance together. It won't happen.
4) The Sethrak are a beastial race. I think i've beaten this to death already, and you're still not getting it.
4B)
10/04/2018 10:02 PMPosted by SeijeAnd that's why it seems plausible we could get them
https://www.pcgamesn.com/world-of-warcraft/wow-battle-for-azeroth-races
taken from this interview:
That matters not. Because it still won't happen.
5) No.
Be happy you even got the Worgen. Those tiny foxes make more sense for the Alliance than even the Sethrak do, lmao. But that still won't happen because they're just Gnome knock-offs. But, then again, #AlliedRaces! We're all about knock offs with that stupid crap.
How do vulpera make more sense when the alliance never even meet them once so far? You're also forgetting this expansion has just begun, theres plenty more story left. I think you're trolling or dont read quest text.
I'll send you a post card later on my snek.
I'll send you a post card later on my snek.
10/04/2018 11:04 PMPosted by AlaeisWorgen are based on wolves. Beastial.
The Worgen curse* is based on a wolf.
The Worgen are not a species, they are a cursed group of Humans who retain their sense of individuality instead of giving in to a shoddy pack-mind mentality of primal, overpowering instinct (i.e: basic human functionality, or, wolf pack mentality. However you choose to see it.)
10/04/2018 11:04 PMPosted by AlaeisPandaren are based on pandas. Beastial.
Pandaren are beastial, yes. However, they are a story-neutral faction that are aiding both the Horde, and the Alliance. It would've been inherently unfair to give the Pandaren to just the Horde, and yet at the same time, had to be fair to the Alliance at the same time. I'm not saying the Alliance got them out of sympathy or anything, but you're giving too much credit here to the Pandaren race on this entire subject; They're fat, gimmicky, useless story-wise, and all-around a complete joke, in this debate or otherwise. They should've stayed in Kung Fu Panda, or literally had Chen be the only one indefinitely for at least a sense of uniqueness. MoP was abysmal, and so are these retarded Pandaren that completely throw Warcraft for a loop just by being there. They're entirely out of place. Entirely.
Back on subject, however, that rant being over: Pandaren, again, are beastial. Yes. Faction NEUTRAL, however. Let that sink in for you... N-E-U-T-R-A-L. This isn't a faction that's for the Alliance, or purely for the Horde... And in the story, they're practically freaking non-existent... Can that sink in yet???
As far as lore is concerned, after MoP, they practically don't exist. Whether that changes or not, who knows?
10/04/2018 11:04 PMPosted by AlaeisI never said draenei were a beast race, only that they had animal qualities such as goat legs and a tail. Sethrak are based on snakes. Bestial.
Yes, they have animal qualities. The Draenei, however, are not beastial... They're barely even qualifiable to be anthropomorphic humanoids... And that's an extremely thin line to walk on. It'd be a lot easier to simply label them as: Alien. And that'd also be entirely correct at the same time.
Sethrak however, yes, are beastial. See the problem there? See it yet? No? Okay, continue this debate then.
10/04/2018 11:11 PMPosted by AlaeisHow do vulpera make more sense when the alliance never even meet them once so far? You're also forgetting this expansion has just begun, theres plenty more story left. I think you're trolling or dont read quest text.
I'll send you a post card later on my snek.
That post card will never arrive, because the Sethrak will never be playable. Just like the feline race of Mists of Pandaria weren't added, despite vehement outbursts for their addition. It. Won't. Happen. Sorry to burst your bubble dude. (And on that note, even the Horde were begging for playable Saberon. Still didn't happen though, did it?)
I already said how the Vulpera make more sense than the Sethrak. You must've not had your glasses on, or you deliberately read over and skimmed my post.
Nope. Dont see a problem. No where is it written that the alliance can only have boring human races and the horde only get animal races. Because that has already been disproven. (:
10/04/2018 11:20 PMPosted by AlaeisNope. Dont see a problem. No where is it written that the alliance can only have boring human races and the horde only get animal races. Because that has already been disproven. (:
You need to go back and read what I had written. You're still misinformed as to what the Worgen actually are, and who the Pandaren are. Sethrak won't happen, at least not for the Alliance.
10/04/2018 11:21 PMPosted by Bretherezen10/04/2018 11:20 PMPosted by AlaeisNope. Dont see a problem. No where is it written that the alliance can only have boring human races and the horde only get animal races. Because that has already been disproven. (:
You need to go back and read what I had written. You're still misinformed as to what the Worgen actually are, and who the Pandaren are. Sethrak won't happen, at least not for the Alliance.
I disagree with your definition of a beast race. But that's fine. Sethrak culture still fits in better with the alliance. Why would they overthrow one faithless dictator to join another one? Lmao
I agree sethrak might not happen. Vulpera might not happen either. Still think the alliance has the best shot at them. (:
10/04/2018 11:09 PMPosted by Bretherezen10/04/2018 10:02 PMPosted by SeijeAnd that's why it seems plausible we could get them
https://www.pcgamesn.com/world-of-warcraft/wow-battle-for-azeroth-races
taken from this interview:
That matters not. Because it still won't happen.
5) No.
Be happy you even got the Worgen. Those tiny foxes make more sense for the Alliance than even the Sethrak do, lmao. But that still won't happen because they're just Gnome knock-offs. But, then again, #AlliedRaces! We're all about knock offs with that stupid crap.
How about an actual argument instead of just covering your ears and going "Nope, la la la, will never happen, la la la..."? That whole paragraph, not just the part I bolded, screams Vulpera and Sethrak. we haven't really seen any races other than those two that fit the bill of 'we looked at the terrain and..." or "We thought about whether they'd be more sympathetic to the horde or alliance..." Because they haven't shown anything, especially on the alliance continent, that fits the bill.
There are no races that 'mesh well' with the terrain except -maybe- quillboar? And we murder them. No chance that there'd be a splinter-faction, no chance they'd be sympathetic to the Alliance. Drust feel like a wash too, because drust are nowhere in game outside of one or two NPCs that stay in the wicker-druid forms, and on top of that, we know those forms are already going to the Kul'tiran. Junker gnomes could happen, but they definitely aren't the race they were thinking of in the interview, because they do not AT ALL upset the status-quo of current alliance races.
Sethrak, however:
- Could be seen as sympathetic to the Alliance cause for a number of reasons, though one we've already seen in the story-telling is that the Alliance rescues Vorrik; not the horde. I cannot think of a single other race the Alliance has friendly interactions with in this expac (other than the KTs, obviously), and there is plenty of room in the story for them to be pushed more towards an Alliance allignment, which seems convenient considering how close their temple is to the Alliance base in Vol'dun.
- Fit the bill on the 'we looked at the terrain...' such a throwaway statement in any other circumstance, but these guys really feel like they belong in their surroundings; that doesn't push them towards alliance specifically, but it does seem to hint that they were at the very least considered for an AR.
- Are a race that you'd normally not consider to be on the 'human' faction in a fantasy world. Again, the bolded lines are the most interesting part of that interview. It really seems like -some- sort of 'tough,' monstrous race was being considered for the Alliance, just as a 'cool, cute' race was being considered for the horde, which after seeing the amount of work gon into them, points almost exclusively to vulpera.
you don't have to like the idea of them going alliance, but don't pretend that it's not at least plausible that it could happen.
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10/04/2018 11:31 PMPosted by SeijeHow about an actual argument instead of just
Let me stop reading right there. I've given my coherent argument already. Twice. If you refuse to go back a page in the thread to see it, that's on you. I will not reiterate myself a third time for the baseless and incessant, nonsensicle rambling of: "I WANT, GIMME, GIMME, GIMME NOW!"
10/04/2018 11:36 PMPosted by Bretherezen10/04/2018 11:31 PMPosted by SeijeHow about an actual argument instead of just
Let me stop reading right there. I've given my coherent argument already. Twice. If you refuse to go back a page in the thread to see it, that's on you. I will not reiterate myself a third time for the baseless and incessant, nonsensicle rambling of: "I WANT, GIMME, GIMME, GIMME NOW!"
your 'argument' was DEY DON LOOK LEIK DE ALLIANZ DEY CANUT BE ALLIANZ.
how about you put more thought into it, especially since the interview i linked already refuted that.
edit: in addition, you claimed there's no reason for them to want to join, but there is plenty of story that can be told. The fact that war is being brought to their shores and they're likely going to get caught in the crossfire anyways would likely influence them to pick a side.
10/04/2018 11:39 PMPosted by Seijeyour 'argument' was DEY DON LOOK LEIK DE ALLIANZ DEY CANUT BE ALLIANZ.
My argument was beyond even something as miniscule and petty as that, but please, nitpick or short-read my posts on the matter to your hearts content. I urge you to go back and READ WHAT WAS ACTUALLY SAID, because I won't reiterate it a third time for you.
Go, now. Put your reading glasses on. And go read my actual post. Don't nitpick the details, go freaking read it you ignorant fool.
No one is saying gimme gimme gimme. We are merely a collection of people who love sethrak and hope to see it happen and like to discuss any news about them. We have been doing so for 7 threads now. If you dont like that there is plenty of other threads you can go to.
10/04/2018 11:44 PMPosted by AlaeisNo one is saying gimme gimme gimme. We are merely a collection of people who love sethrak and hope to see it happen and like to discuss any news about them. We have been doing so for 7 threads now. If you dont like that there is plenty of other threads you can go to.
No, you (Seemingly the only person in this thread anymore, or probably at this hour, that I am even attempting to debate this issue with. Why is beyond me..) quite did literally just say gimme, gimme, gimme. You gave no actual reasoning beyond: We need to be more horde-like and have some beast races in the Alliance, just because I like the Sethrak and want them added to the Alliance! GIVE ME NOW!
Sorry you feel that way. Keep it civil or you'll be reported. Perfectly fine with counter arguments but dont be a jerk.
10/04/2018 11:44 PMPosted by AlaeisNo one is saying gimme gimme gimme. We are merely a collection of people who love sethrak and hope to see it happen and like to discuss any news about them. We have been doing so for 7 threads now. If you dont like that there is plenty of other threads you can go to.
No, you quite did literally just say gimme, gimme, gimme. You gave no actual reasoning beyond: We need to be more horde-like and have some beast races in the Alliance, just because I like the Sethrak and want them added to the Alliance! GIVE ME NOW!
You're not really helping your "Horde is beastial" argument by being a blood elf.
And no, that helmet doesn't make you slightly more beast like.
10/04/2018 09:06 PMPosted by BretherezenWhat part of a cursed Human do you not comprehend?
Do you see a Tauren on the Alliance side? Literally a bipedal bovine with a functioning brain?
Do you see anything that resembles a literal humanoid animal on your Faction? No. No, you do not.
this is literally "they don't look the part."
10/04/2018 09:06 PMPosted by BretherezenYou barely, BARELY get very shaky side-alliances with neutral Factions as it is. You're asking literally for a playable beastial race. Blizzard's design logic for the Alliance is not to allow that for the Alliance. It won't happen.
Not sure which neutral factions you're talking about, but quite a few neutral factions seem to lean more alliance than horde. Cenarion Circle. Argen Dawn. Even the Nightborne approached the Alliance (nelves) first before going horde instead. Highmountain joined the horde in much the same way the Lightforged joined the alliance, because of close ties with their kin, but both sides were friendly with each other throughout all of Legion. Would you provide examples of neutral factions that are 'shaky' with the alliance? Though, to be honest, i don't know how this has anything to do with the Sethrak. It's not like the Sneks are going to be sending letters around to all the factions of Azeroth to get their opinions.
10/04/2018 09:06 PMPosted by BretherezenThe Sethrak race are evolved snakes, probably descendents of a Snake Loa in general. They ARE a beastial race. Worgen are NOT a beastial race; They are freaking cursed Humans. Remove the curse, which in WoW Lore is entirely possible to do--They just haven't freaking done it because it would kill your sub-race and make you look stupid for picking a Worgen, which were only added to give you a partial beastial race to begin with to "compete with the Horde" without 100% breaking their design intent--and the Worgen are literally just your average, every day, boring Human that looks cartoony asf.
again, this is literally "they don't look the part."
brb, finding your next post.
10/04/2018 09:13 PMPosted by BretherezenDraenei have animal qualities? Where? Their legs? Hardly. Their tentacles from their face? Hardly. As I said: They are less beast than they are humanoid. They don't even look beastial at all. Get the facts straight.
Pandaren don't look harmful in any way, and their entire design philosophy isn't militaristic, nor aggressive. Putting the Shado-Pan aside, and maybe Chen as well, and what Pandaren do you know of that puts up any sort of a fight? They're chubby, fat, and all-around lazy; A side gimmick in World of Warcraft lore, who the vast majority of in their own questing zones are literally Kung Fu Panda lazy farmers that don't know the sky is up, and the Earth is down at their feet...
And yes, it does make them less of a beast race. Don't ignore the fact that all a Worgen is is literally a cursed Human being. Take the curse away, which is entirely possible given how Warcraft lore functions, and you're just a boring Human. You can even change back in to your less-frail Human self again, but because of clunky design logic, you auto-flip Worgen with the slightest bit of aggression, lol. Hardly a beastial race when your entire "race" is just a rehashed Human with an added curse.
The Sethrak race is a 100% entirely different beast.
Funny though that you don't seem to comprehend any of that.
more "they don't look the part."
on to the next.
10/04/2018 11:47 PMPosted by DànnarYou're not really helping your "Horde is beastial" argument by being a blood elf.
And no, that helmet doesn't make you slightly more beast like.
I didn't say the Horde was beastial, I implied that beastial races fit with the Horde schematic that Blizzard Entertainment has laid out for the Horde. They tend to be nomadic, parse, vengeful, lost or otherwise in dire need of help that the "good" Alliance won't ever provide in their life. The Horde takes those races under their wing. Since the basic vanilla game, the only races that have joined the Alliance, or otherwise "people" that have joined the Alliance, have been those that were directly in some way involved with the Horde. And no true beastial race was added directly to the Alliance either, ergo, beastial races do NOT fit the Alliance scheme here; And no, Worgen are NOT beastial, they are cursed Humans who merely take on a beastial form of nature. That is NOT the same thing, no matter how much you attempt to argue that it is, it is NOT. So stop saying it is.
The Pandaren similarly are faction NEUTRAL. I'll say it again: FACTION. N-E-U-T-R-A-L. They aren't exclusive to the Alliance and never will be. They're for both factions, playing both angles. They're also, once again, the biggest joke Warcraft has ever seen, so take their meaningless existence with even less than a single grain of salt.
And I don't care if you badmouth my transmogrification. It's an awesome one and one I personally like. If you even knew me, or knew Bretherezen, you'd know he started off as a Tauren character and will ALWAYS be a Tauren at heart in my eyes. The fact he is a Blood Elf right now boils down purely to aesthetic reasons, and Raiding reasons; I grew tired of seeing the idle Tauren animations, and I got tired of hearing the Tauren snorting like a wild animal. Not to mention, it was hard to make a Tauren "look cool" in any sort of armor whatsoever in my personal point of view. So I race changed him to a Blood Elf for aesthetic reasons. The second reason was for a second silence during raiding; His racial ability. Not to mention other racials.
But I needn't actually have explained that to you. Not that you care one bit.