Unofficial Sethrak Discussion Thread 🐍

yeah but that was his point
The alliance had a small quest line where they interacted with the sethrak and then nothing for the rest of the expansion.
He was saying the alliance didn’t get any world quests to help them or anything like that

The Dunegorger Kraulok world boss or whatever it’s called has Vorrik speaking to both factions. There’s a cannon WQ at Temple of the Devoted that has Vorrik for Horde and I believe Alliance as well. There’s a couple more with Vorrik that are in the same boat, definitely for Horde, and I believe for Alliance as well.

However, it is correct to say that there are no world quests which involve Alliance working with sethrak against the Horde, every time sethrak work with either faction in WQs it’s in a neutral setting.

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Ah, I see it now. Misread I suppose. lol

Still hardly an important factor in which side they’ll go to.

Aye.

Thats why I don’t see it as a major bar. The Devoted are Neutral. Thats without question.

That doesn’t mean there are no options for the Alliance to get Sethrak.

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I think Vorrik gives the world quest both sides for the dino that drops the Alpaca Mount.

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I’d go with faithless, maybe if the Devoted have taken back all the land of the sethrak the Faithless have no home and roll in with the Alliance AU Mag’har style.

Maybe they could turn the faithless into water snakes and give us an underwater city, I’d adore that.

Now that Blizzard seems to be calming down on Horde villain batting and seem to be moving us back to Thrall’s/Vol’jin’s Horde, Devoted make sense thematically on Horde, and that’s not including the whole story they had with the Horde in and out of Vol’dun.

Perfect room for a neutral race.

Also, in the embassies for both factions, notice how there’s not only room for more flags, but how Blizzard didn’t bother to balance the flags symmetrically like they did before, it’s almost like they were planning for another pair of ARs in 8.3.5 or something.

I like to think Devoted would’ve been the Horde one.

Yeah he does.

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Exactly what I would do.

Not sure about the underwater bit. Could be fun though.

Maybe this is why they need to become a playable race. For the future of the World. Bringing that knowledge into someone’s ranks. :woman_shrugging:

Plus from what the devs said on a Lost Codex interview, this is hardly a factor that goes into what races are considered to be AR.

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Why would anyone want to play as the faithless though? They’re kinda evil
Why would the alliance want to side with them? They’re kinda evil

Faithless seems a strange choice to advocate for

The Faithless have just lost their leader and their conquering world view was halted.

Many likely only saw conquering the world as a necessity since resources and room seem to have been an issue. Many may regret the way they acted.

Perhaps either out of shame or just not feeling like they need the Devoted they may choose to instead seek out a new ally to keep them safe.

The Horde likely would be hunting holdouts in Vol’dun. So the Alliance isn’t the worst option around.

Since the Alliance didn’t work against or with the Sethrak particularly they’d have no reason to refuse new allies there.

Its not so weird, plus it leaves the Devoted for the Horde. So those of us interested in the Neutral option see a lot there. shrug

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But are they really evil? Sure Korthek had some ideals that were not the best. But does this make the Sethrak that followed him evil? As in truly evil?

And now with Korthek dead, are the Faithless going to continue down the path of the conquering zealot?

We actually do not truly know why so many Sethrak followed Korthek. They could have assumed their loa abandoned them. It’s something I think should be addressed at some point. We have no clue if their empire was dismantled with his death or if they saw the wrong of his ways.

I think they’re perfectly fine to advocate for. They’re not void lords. Or the legion.

And well, The Alliance is not without dirty hands.

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My assumption would be that once the Faithless see that Sethraliss is back, one of two things would happen.

Those that revile her might still revile her.
Those that simply lost faith will regain their faith.

The trouble with the Faithless, and the Sethrak in general, is that we know so little. Everything that they are and that they did was wrapped up in a plot point to release an old god general, and everything underneath that wasn’t worth fleshing out, apparently.

Now, hopefully Blizzard sees that we want more and will give us more to work with. How big is the Sethrak empire underground? Are there different factions within the Faithless? Why did the Faithless become conquerors? Was it to enslave the world or save it? Their motivations are a complete mystery now that Korthek is gone.

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Clearly they met Garrosh. :stuck_out_tongue:

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lol

The big thing that I want to see is much like how the Vulpera got an allied race questline where they show their value to the horde, is a questline that introduces the Sethrak to either side that shows their value as well. I could ABSOLUTELY see the Alliance/Alduin pulling a ‘our people are too spread thin and our armies decimated, we cannot help you’ and the Devoted being like “nah fam we got this”

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I would say enslaving vulpera and trying to raise an army to take over zandalar just because they wanted power is on the evil side.

Im pretty sure its known the reason korthek was doing it was just because he wanted power.
Blizzard in theory could give his followers a different reason as to why they followed him, but until they say otherwise I think its safe to assume they felt the same way he did.

Oh yeah! especially since their magic is so different being based on a Loa and such than the Alliance’s.

Also Umbric and Wyrmbane would totally stick up for the Sethrak.

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Definitely wrong and warlike.

But as I said we have races on both factions that are guilty of both these crimes.

Humans enslaved Orcs

We set fires to Vulpera camps and supplies and killed them.

How different is that?

Alliance is not all flowers and rainbows. There is definitely some dark stuff that our leaders like to try and pretend did not happen.

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The Zandalari were all about enslaving the lesser trolls and taking over the world, guess they are just as evil as the faithless.

If Ztrolls can change sure they could.

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A -good- thing about knowing so little, from a writing standpoint, is that there are MANY ways that Blizzard could work the Sethrak in to either faction.

All of these unanswered questions are fantastic writing prompts, and I’m half tempted to start writing stuff up myself. I DM for DnD a lot and worldbuilding is a blast to me. I might set some time aside and put together some unofficial theory for the Sethrak for Blizzard to use if they wanted :wink:

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