Oh yeh I plan to, the next Delve I get that has the right story in it that can be done in like 4 minutes I will note down the details and just spam that one for hours instead of doing M+, better chance to sere hero gear that way.
Except, maybeā¦ get better? Thatās what you do in most games where you get stuck - get better so you can move forward.
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But you can run M+ 9 and you donāt need delves or heroic raid u-u
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Ah so it is the regular chest and not the locked box. Still hard nope on crest farming delves. M+ will easily give a dozen in the same amount of time a delve coughs up 2.
If someone really wants to grind until their bones bleed, they can just keep farming heroic crests, convert them up to mythic ones, and apply those to the gear they got from delve maps. Thatās such a monumental waste of time it would be far smarter to buy a heroic raid carry and call it a day.
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You mean to tell me that M+ has been out for less than a week and you canāt do a +9?
Skill issue 
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I rather go the oldschool route and just recruit enough people to run Mythic raid, just like how we did in Legion. Iād honestly rather do that than deal with modern M+.
Legion was the best time to do M+, itās complete junk now. From the elitism, to the dungeon design, to the crests, to the loot, to losing the ability to change spec or gear in the run, to keys not depleting, to everything.
Now that keys donāt deplete you can just run endless amounts of keys and leave endless amounts of them, no one cares anymore, itās THE literal hamster wheel.
People donāt like the oldschool way anymore because they either A) have no social skills, B) have no leadership skills, C) lazy or D) all of the above.
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Iām not grinding them for the crests. Itās just simply the most efficient way to gear up a toon at the moment for the average player.
The initial PVP stuff will give you up to four 610 items also, which is massive.
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Why is it not?
The m+ people didnāt have an issue when it made raids irrelevant.
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Loot quality isnāt unimportant. Delves are pretty overrewarding in raw ilvl but the actual quality of the drops in there is fairly stinky.
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its just another excuse to whine, thatās all. delve loot is trash. you get versa on your gear 9 times out of 10. the trinkets are absolute garbage, unless you you are the 1 out of every 10000 players that get lucky enough for the shadow-binding ritual knife, which is also trash because it only drops in champion in the chest.
its all blown out of proportion. i fail to see how delves are too rewarding considering the fact that you can only get champion gear 4x per week, with 1 single heroic piece in the vault 1 time per week, versus being able to farm NON-STOP heroic gear from mythic+ until the cows come home, and even TARGET specific pieces you want by running the same dungeon over and over, and get MYTHIC loot in your vault.
i think the salty tears are coming mostly from players that were so used to getting mythic loot in their vault from running the easy keys and now they cant, because they are not skilled enough for 10ās, so they are having a temper tantrum and taking it out on delves for no reason whatsoever.
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Yes the maps do drop from non-bountyful chests. Got one last night in one of the smaller boxes.
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Iām so tired of yāall crying. JESUS CHRIST GET IT TOGETHER. Did mythic+ ever stopped at +10?
Let casuals enjoy government cheese (delves). It wonāt affect any of you. Yes is easier to do delves than mythic+ 0-10. But you will continue to 20+ and never see us again.
Get it together for crying out loud. Stop whining about everything.
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You get two per run. A +4 will get you 12 runed crests. Thatās 6 delves. And I can assure you a +4 is much easier than a T8 delve.
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idk about thatā¦
T8 means you donāt have to deal with other people.
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A +4 is easier than T8 Delve that I can solo in 10 minutes, yet canāt actually get a group for a +4 in 10 minutes. Very interesting.
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low m+ is essentially dead yeah i agree with that assessment. the masses of average players wont quite realize it yet for a bit longer cause they are always slower on the uptake but when they do, that will be the end for m+
i dont care either way as long as i get that sweet loot from delves. i hope they add higher end crests to delves too, to really drive the dagger deep into m+ and raids.
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I completely understand what you mean and itās why Iāve been doing delves. But you can bet I do m+ with guildies whenever I can. But the fact that nobody wants to have to drag idiots across the finish line in a m+ is not an argument in favor of m+ not rewarding enough or delves having rewards which are too good. Itās an argument against pugging content which is even remotely challenging. Too many people who struggle with LFR and who couldnāt solo a t5 delve are demanding to be carried through m+. And now, players who donāt have a guild and donāt want to deal with those people no longer have to.
And the best part? Watching those lame ducks on these forums complaining that no one will carry them through m+ anymore. And you can bet these same people have no hope of completing t8 delves. Because thatās the truth right there: Itās not that delves are easier than m+. Itās that in a delve, youāre by yourself unless you specifically brought someone along. While in m+, if youāre pugging, odds are that youāll have to carry dead weight or near dead weight, which is what actually makes m+ feel harder.
Donāt believe me? Group up with pugs for a t8. Witness the horror as they stand in cone attacks, step on webs and get exploded by spores, depleting your lives in a flash. Then youāll understand: The real challenge of m+ is dragging fools to the end.
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Just do everything in house with your guild, M+, raid, Delves. If you need a guild, hit me up, just canāt be toxic.
Solves all these problems. Canāt find tank? Guild. Canāt get a full Maze+ group? Guild. Hate waiting in waiting lists for fail pug raid you canāt get loot in? Guild. Delves too hard for you solo? Guild.
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You can get a map but when you open the treasure from that specific map it will drop lower tier gear. I got a map on T3 while leveling my shaman and beating him. When I hit 80 I did a T8 and it gave me a 580 piece from that chest. 
Yep, Blizzard just shifted the welfare gear to Delves. Iām glad personally, M+ sucks
The LFG tool is full of groups running lower keys.
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