A couple of things. Blizzard has broken plenty of addons that have trivialized the game over the years, like the original decursive addon.
It’s laughable if you think you can tell people to not comment on a forum post. You don’t have control over that my guy. Anyone who has access to the forums can comment on a thread once you make it.
Until we get to midnight
addons are still allowed in midnight
Except for the ones that won’t function anymore
I was at a disadvantage hunting rares for years because I didn’t have Handy Notes or similar addons installed. That didn’t mean my play experience was necessarily worse, but I certainly was disadvantaged and missing out on a lot of information simply because I was not aware of the addon.
Same concept can apply in raid, players may simply not know. Even if players do know, addons are a third party knowledge gap you will never learn about via the game. You need someone else to mention it or be looking at 3rd party resources to even know about them.
You know what people mean, what they’re talking about… and resting on some small portion of non-combat addons still working in Midnight as “addons will still work in Midnight” is semantic foolery / selective reasoning.
No, I’m fine with addons. I just don’t think they should make the game easier. That’s not being anti addon. I use addons like Details and Altoholic. I’m not anti addon no matter how many times you say it.
That’s not the type of thing that I’m talking about. I’m talking about things like the original decursive that would automatically target and cleanse people with the single click of a button. It makes the game easier by removing steps and actions, not just displaying information in different ways.
Marking me? I don’t know what you’re talking about there, but being a CC member doesn’t change anything in this discussion. It’s irrelevant.
they will not be disallowed, they just wont function. again there is no bad actors in this scenario.
You keep saying that, and then expressing deep anti-addon sentiment. Your actions are speaking louder than your words here.
So you want to change the definition of “making the game easier” after the fact? Curious.
The yellow text, the tag next to your avatar that says “WoW Community Council” that proudly displays that you are a yes man to the whims of Blizzard, like the MvPs but worse somehow. You may like it to not be relevant but simple fact is we know you can’t oppose actions Blizzard takes because your position relies on supporting them, which is incredibly relevant to discussions surrounding decisions made by Blizzard.
what are you even replying to? regardless of which addons function in wow, theyve never been against the rules. analogizing the situation to ‘cheating’ is a terrible argument. what exactly are you contesting?
And those addons use RAM. Which they cannot afford to upgrade. Even some 3-5 year old systems will struggle with the graphics in Midnight. Not really my problem, or my concern, but Blizz seems to think by reducing the RAM needed to play on a level field that more people will stick around. I spent as much for my rig as I did for my flight to Australia 7 years ago. I’m not defending Blizz, nor mocking people who can’t afford an upgrade. But if Blizz wants player retention, they need to adjust somewhere. Fewer RAM and GPU resources makes sense. 
Ah, so it’s on the definition of “allowed”.
I can’t tell what you’re arguing.
I’ve never heard the argument that blizz is doing this to reduce hardware requirements. I mean I’m not saying you’re wrong cuz who can know for sure but I’ve never seen them mention that
You apparently have a hard time understanding what an anti addon sentiment is. I’m not anti addon. I use several addons and have no problem with many of them. If you can’t understand that, that’s on you.
No, I’m not changing the definition that I’m using. Most people understand the difference between QoL type addons and ones that reduce the difficulty of the game. You apparently aren’t one of those people.
The discussion is clearly about combat focused addons because those are the ones that are being taken away, not ones that let you copy text. Unless you’re just really bad at picking up on context.
No, actually. There’s been several CC members that are pretty critical of Blizzard. Just because you don’t understand that, doesn’t mean that we are yes men. It’s pretty clear that there’s a lot of things you don’t understand.
yes, so not cheating. which that algernon above was trying to compare the situation to. i dont care if you define pre-midnight and post-midnight addons as different categories, go wild. neither preset are remotely comparable to ‘cheating’.
That couldn’t be literally further from the truth. Which came first, the crazy mechanics that required superhuman reaction time or the addons that lessened the need to have split second reaction time?
That’s a good one. I haven’t been able to play Fellowship for more than a couple of hours without wanting to hop back onto WoW.
Don’t get me wrong, I love what they are doing, and that there’s something like them in the space, but they have a long way to go to be comparable, even in the one area that is their entire game.
And they have like 1 pretty cool innovation that could prevent the need for an addon (showing your kick CD for others on a target you’re going to kick).
Is this a genuine question in your mind?
Of course it’s not cheating.
The only people who think it’s cheating, are people who don’t understand what drove players to use addons in the first place.
This a million times. Postal, Niggles Pet Battles, All the Things - none of these give a competitive in combat advantage to know where to stand, when to move, when to interrupt, when to soak, etc. They allow you to play and use non-combat elements in the game to simply enjoy them more. I think more people would get respect if they just came out and said, “Yes! I need DBM, WA, ElvUI, etc so I can be competitive in this game and negate most combat to push myself further!”. Ironically, using training wheel addons is not pushing content. It’s like having HandyNotes: Combat Edition meaning Devs have to make it harder, but then addon devs simply adjust and walk all over the effort the WoW devs just made to offer challenging content.
It’s a bit problematic when the game has to be designed and balanced around people using problem solving addons.
The game has only gotten more complicated and difficult every single expansion, and it has more to do with addons becoming sophisticated rather than players becoming better.