I do, I also have the mindset of using my abilities to maximize my performance, which unfortunately, you don’t feel like you need to use your abilities for some reason - which makes you a bad tank.
As we have relentlessly told you over and over again, the only way to reach the high end of your rage bar is by not using abilities. And if you are holding threat while not using abilities, then your DPS are also not using abilities.
Berserker rage. Intercept. Thunderclap. Mocking Blow. Execute. Hamstring.
Why do you think a prot warrior works best when working with a third of his class?
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Of course Stance Dancing only really works if you have Tactical Mastery(lets you keep 25 Rage when switching Stance with 5 points), Improved Charge (increases Rage gained from charge by 6, so 9+6=15) … you could also grab Anger Management(makes Rage decay 30% slower out of combat) … all nice Arms Talents. They not Required but Deflection(adds 5% Parry) is a nice have too.
‘Maximizing your abilities’ means nothing.
You work the instance. Planning and setting pulls to give the best chance of success and make sure that threat gets on the mobs so the group members don’t get eaten and hopefully end the fight with excess rage you can take into the next. If you aren’t thinking in those terms, you’re not thinking like a Tanking Warrior.
You’re thinking like a guy that likes pressing buttons.
Mind if I ask you guys some questions? I plan on going down the Arms tree to get tactical mastery. Is this fine since I’m a baby Warrior or should I respec and get it first then go into the Prot tree?
I respecced yesterday to go full into the Prot tree for the shield block/revenge talents and I’m kind of regretting it after reading this.
Depends on what you want to do with your character and how you want to play it. Either works and both have their uses.
Well I enjoy being fast, but I also don’t want my healer stressing out. I want to go in, pick up the group and not lose aggro.
I did stockades yesterday and held aggro decently even with the DPS being higher than me. But I did pull slower. I kept pulling once I knew I could, but it did feel slow.
I didn’t really stance dance either. Sat in Defensive, but damn was I rage starved for the most part.
You keep saying it, and i’ll keep doing it.
And just for the record… if we’re talking like BRD… I will posit that it does get harder… but then there should be a very easy thing to do to get near full rage on the cleanup.
Swap to Dual Wield. Holy god the rage generation. You can outstrip the GCD with ease.
Not using your abilities and sitting in defensive stance forever makes you bad.
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If you aren’t losing agro and insecurely spamming keys and firehose’ing rage… that forever makes you bad.
How hard is it to agro something in like Maraudon or SM… jfc. You don’t need to through the world at every mob.
Assuming everyone that stance dances like they are supposed to with tactical mastery is bad makes you bad AND ignorant
Assuming that people are supposed to dance with TM, even though its a second tier talent, makes you bad AND ignorant AND a tool.
So does that mean I should respec to get tactical mastery first or is it ok to start aiming toward it?
Ill throw everything I have at mobs because I can and it helps the group out more than just sitting in defensive stance
What is it you want to do with your character? Tank instances? Farm Quests? Grind XP. Tailor your spec to best help the choice you make.
Put it another way, I can do everything that you can in defensive stance with TM, except I can do it faster and more efficiently
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The point of TM is utility, and if you don’t have it you’re losing access to a substantial amount of your toolkit as a warrior and as a tank.
-It seems like your biggest go-to move when you lose threat is taunt>sunder. What do you do if your taunt is resisted and challenging shout is on cooldown? Without TM you can’t use mocking blow, or intercept stun to give breathing room before taunt comes off cooldown
-If sheep breaks and the mob is casting, without TM you cannot intercept stun to prevent the spell from going off.
-Without TM you can’t intercept the pat that everyone missed that’s trained on the healer all the way in the back
-Without TM, you can’t thunder clap on bosses/hard hitting mobs
-Without TM you can’t hamstring running mobs when all dps are focused on other targets
-Without TM you can’t use pummel for the extra interrupt
TM provides a ton of utility that helps runs go smoothly. Without it, you’re limiting yourself to just having mobs beat on you, when as a tank you can do so much more. It’s not just pressing buttons when you’re using tools that make things easier for the group.
All these things are situational, but doing them saves wipes, reduces stress on the healers, and makes it so mistakes from other players dont wipe the group. I always considered that my job as a tank is to make the run go as smoothly as possible. Without TM, I can’t do the little things that my class was meant to do. With TM I can do everything you do, plus so much more.
Learning how to properly stance dance early on is important for all warrior tanks.
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How does it help the group out ‘more’. The only thing a group cares about is a smooth run and done. If you can provide that, you don’t have to throw the world at every mob to get there. That’s just your pride, messing with you.
That’s a little harsh, Quillim :). There are plenty of posts and such praising Tactical Mastery.
Sure, it only allows you to keep 25 rage when swapping stances, and you’ll want to be ware of that, so you can optimize your rage usage, but it’s quite helpful situationally, say, if you’d ever like to use Intercept or Intimidating Shout.
You can’t spell ‘Smooth’ without ‘Smoo’, oh wait. Thats my name.