I don’t think those macros will work currently, and suspect the addon he mentions will not either, though don’t take my word for it!
Good ideas, thanks!
I do have a section on Target Markers, but no examples of bar setups, or builds.
Well crap. Should I outright respec then or just start going down the Arms tree then go Fury? I’m a bit…poor.
What’s your current talent selection like?
Third row, Last Stand, 1 pt in Shield Bloc and 1 pt in Revenge with 5 in increase Armor% from items.
Was going to start putting them in the threat generation, but after reading this thread it looks like I need to go all in on the TM in Arms.
I don’t think respeccing before 30 is worth it.
From personal experience, there’s almost no difference going Prot, some mix between Arms/Fury and Prot, and straight Arms in terms of durability in low level instances. The only thing I’ve seen affected is my solo play or small group play (groups of less than 5). Straight Arms is a huge improvement and when you get Sweeping Strikes at 30 it’s heavenly.
If you’ve got the 1g, I’d respec at level 30 since you’ll get the Sweeping Strikes skill in the Arms tree.
Well, hmm… if you want to save that gold on a respec, and aren’t particularly feeling any issues while leveling/tanking, you may still have some options.
You could put the rest of your talents into Arms, and still get to Mortal Strike, I think, or at least maybe be viable in solo questing content in your 40s and 50s.
You could continue down your chosen path, until/unless it becomes painful or difficult for you, then respec.
Or yeah, you could respec, if you’d like. But, if you aren’t particularly feeling any pain points, I don’t know if it would be worth it.
Nothing really feels bad atm. I have a pocket healer and we pull quite a bit at a time. I do get super rage starved though, even when in Battle Stance, but TM might help with that.
Yeah I’m learning that using Cleave isn’t worth it. Even in dungeon groups. Feels a bit like a trap ability when tanking. Seems for effective to Shield Block and Revenge across tagged mobs. Maybe I’ll go straight Arms tree and shoot for Sweeping if it means doing better AoE damage.
I’m pretty poor atm though, and I just respecced so I don’t know what it will cost to do it again.
Oh yeah… it’ll be like 10g.
Oh my lawd.
Yeah, Cleave and Heroic Strike have higher rage costs than printed because your next strike won’t generate rage. Sweeping Strikes though gives you 5 auto attacks that will hit an additional meaning you still generate rage on your next 5 hits - it’s amazing. Tab sunder and tab revenge are you best AoE threat generators, imho.
If you’ve respecced once, I think it’ll be 5g for the second respecc. Don’t quote me on it.
At the end of the day, as Elite said, if you’re not experiencing pain points in your time in WoW you don’t need to respec. You can make whatever build you’re using work for leveling though your mileage may vary. You’ll end up respeccing post level 50 into prot anyways.
You make some pretty big assumptions with that statement. You assume that everyone dislikes leveling and wants to get it over with as fast as possible in order to get to endgame.
Those who speed leveled and are already in MC raiding are going to run out of stuff to do in a couple of months and be whining and crying because they are sooooo bored.
There are plenty of reasons an actual sane person might want to level as prot…
If you prefer the sword and board style rather than sitting there waiting for 4 years for a big 2-hander to go WOOSH MISS, then have to wait another 4 years again. Some people find slow weapons boring.
If you don’t want to stop and have to eat/bandage every 2-3 pulls, and want to save some gold by not having to buy much food and by being able to sell all your cloth.
If you don’t want to be squishy and have to do corpse runs more often.
If you like the EXTREMELY satisfying sound of a Shield Slam bich slapping a mob up the side of the head.
If you like having a 5 sec. stun on a short cooldown to help control the battlefield.
If you enjoy being loved by healers and praised by all, every instance run, because of your superior threat and mitigation.
If you like leveling as your endgame spec so you’re used to all the keybinds and feel of the spec by endgame and don’t have to learn a new style of play just before heading into your first raid.
If you don’t really mind taking a week or two longer to get to 60, because hey, questing and leveling is fun.
1 Like
Thanks @Elite & @Limtastic.
1 Like
Any time! If you’re ever on Old Blanchey, hit me up!
I mean it’s totally fine to do what you prefer doing, and playing how you most enjoy playing is something i fully encourage. If you want to slog your way through to 60 as prot, more power to you.
But it’s not necessary, and people no one should pretend that it’s the most efficient/effective way of playing a warrior tank, which is what the OP is doing. The OP is actively giving incorrect advice on what is ‘best’ for warriors when most of this has been mathematically worked out by the Fight Club.
1 Like
Literally ever group I get in , I mark kill target ask for a few seconds to get aggro . No one gives a crap. They make comments like “LOL this isn’t Onyxia” and go and pull or purposely attack different targets
1 Like
I definitely find prot to be the most effective and efficient way to tank through leveling in this game.
Somewhere along the line early on it was determined by the min/max crowd that the holy gospel of leveling tanking involved deep arms, TM, and stance dancing your way through dungeons. I was told 15 years ago that was how I was supposed to play, and doing anything else was stupid and inefficient. Pretty much the same as what’s being said here today.
The thing is that it was a miserable experience. I hated using a two hander- which meant I hated having to eat so much between pulls while questing. I hated being squishier in dungeons. And I found the rotation to be annoying and not fun to use.
Lets get serious here guys. If you’re some kind of super experienced raid tank here on these forums, and you’re advocating for this playstyle, that’s ok for a lot of players. But the vast majority of people in this game- especially outside of these forums really, truly suck. Like… are just not good at all. Forcing a meta playstyle on them for the sake of what you may deem to be “efficiency” isn’t really helpful. And yes no matter how mainstream, anything other than mitigation and prot abilities for tanking is meta.
They need to learn the basics of tanking before trying it. And while there’s some disagreement about block/revenge, at the heart of it the OP is just trying to get people to be able to build at least a bare basic toolkit for success.
I’d much rather heal a tank who’s at least focused on tab target sundering at the bare minimum than one who doesn’t know what he’s doing while stance dancing around thunder clapping everything. Hell last night I healed a stance dancing tank who kept blowing his Blood Fury Orc racial during bosses. I mean really. People don’t know they’re doing at all. So we need to be a bit more realistic with our expectations here.
Oh no not Fight Club. Does Tyler Durden have something to do with this? Is your name Robert Paulson?
Oh no not MATH.
You Slay Me.
Lolz. If I wanted to take the most efficient levelling process possible, tanking any instance(prot or arms), except sniping specific gear, probably just slows you down.
But that would make the game unfun.
All this talk about how to tank and the truest statement of the whole thread is this. Instances are incredibly fun, but - if we’re all honest - probably not the best use of time if we’re talking speed to 60.
Leveling as an Arms tank is not about min/max. It’s just the easiest, most versatile and noob friendly way to do things if you want to level normally.
1 Like