Undead paladins will save the game

Undead: Gets infused with the light to become a paladin.

Undead: Explodes.

Undead paladins don’t contradict the lore, so yes please.

In what way dont they? Undead cannot feel the light. Paladins are creations of the light.

Now, make them void Pallys, and bam. New class

I’m not sure where you’re getting that information from, but it’s incorrect.
Undead CAN feel the Light, and there are handfuls of examples of Undead that have utilized the Light. Additionally, Paladins aren’t creations of the Light nor are they infused with it like many people like to bring up.

They bring that up because that’s what they original Paladin page on the World of Warcraft website said. It was removed a couple of expansions ago but nobody knows why. They didn’t change the lore so it might still be true.

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From WOw pedia

The undead, against their nature, also have access to priests, and at least one undead paladin exists. The act of channeling the Light is painful for the undead, but not impossible. Light-wielding Forsaken are fairly rare and are somewhat antithetical to the prime Forsaken religion: the Cult of Forgotten Shadow.

so i guess they COULD exist, but to fit with lore, every spell they cast that is holy should damage them.

It wouldn’t damage them, because the “damage” isn’t physical/real. It’s just a feeling of pain. Additionally, Blizzard would never create a class/race combo with a negative side effect like that.

That’s been explicitly contradicted by the creative devs years ago. Touching the Light -whether by channeling it themselves or being healed by it- causes undead only the sensation of pain, not actual physical harm.

Well… it is. When you read that CDev interview that Fallynn linked, he says that Forsaken and DK wounds healed by the Light are cauterized.

very true. But then they didnt create undead paladins… for a reason.

“During the ritual that empowers paladins, the Light shines down on them and through them with blinding radiance. It warms at first, then sears. The person feels scoured; emptied, scrubbed clean, then filled again. The Light swells inside and then fades away to a tolerable level.”

This is where the idea that Pallys are a creation of the light comes from. It literally takes the light to make a paladin.

He compared it to being cauterized as a metaphor for the painful sensation the healing caused. It does not literally damage them in the process.

So an undead who went through the process would be in a constant state of self-sacrifice for the sake of their faith.

Sounds like a paladin to me.

Pretty sure that’s exactly what it says:

Forsaken healed by the Light (whether the healer is Forsaken or not) are effectively cauterized by the effect: sure, the wound is healed, but the healing effect is cripplingly painful

Get in line behind NE paladins!

What @Lokka said, as well as it specifically stating “healing” and not a use of Light in general which is what @Alasa was implying.

This is several years old and has never sense been shown to be the case again. It’s effectively retconed, or put in limbo at best. Additionally, that’s exclusively only for the original Human paladins and wasn’t done in Legion when a Night Elf became one nor have we any information on if this is the case for literally any other paladin race.

LOL yes it does, it specifically says:

Forsaken healed by the Light (whether the healer is Forsaken or not) are effectively cauterized by the effect: sure, the wound is healed, but the healing effect is cripplingly painful

I’m not sure what you’re trying to say then. We agree that it’s specifically only mentioning healing, not a use of Light in general. Additionally, that argument is entirely pointless when it also mentions that this doesn’t even have to involve the Forsaken being the one using the Light and that it happens if an ally of the Forsaken heals them too (which it even mentions already happens and nothing bad comes of it).

That quote isn’t saying what you’re claiming it does. Nowhere in that quote does it say that the healing inflicts damage; only the feeling of pain. That’s why he qualifies the word “cauterized” with the word “effectively;” it’s a metaphor for the healing causing pain as a byproduct, not saying that the healing inflicts physical damage in the process.

Im all for undead pallys but i dont think the light could be their source of power.

since when did they remove the height requirement for paladins?

Aren’t dwarves a lot taller than my foxxy friends?

I think it’s open to interpretation. To me it reads that the Light effected the wound just like fire would and that’s how it was cauterized.

Also, the Light has other physical effects on the undead besides crippling pain:

Unfortunately, this may be the cause of the Forsaken priesthood’s increased attempts at self-destruction; regaining these senses would force the priests to smell their own rotting flesh, taste the decay in their mouths and throats, and even feel the maggots burrowing within their bodies.

So after suffering crippling pain and having their sense of smell, touch and taste return from prolonged exposure, I’m not sure how you guys can insist that it’s “all in their head.”

That makes no sense.

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