Undead Druids

There’s been a lot of discussions on what does and does not make sense as the last few classes are made universal for all races. As it stands, most people are in agreement that so long as there’s no biological lore that would prevent it, there’s no reason a young member of one culture wouldn’t be influenced by exposure to other cultures to take up a certain way of life they find compelling. But, that leaves a lot of loose ends. Evokers are an obvious example, and some lore would need to be cooked up involving draconic blood drinking rituals or something to get, say, a human evoker.

Undead paladins are a little trickier, though there’s a long standing undead holy priest and paladin NPC in lore already, explaining that their using the light causes anguish, but is survivable if someone has the will to push through. Fair enough.

Druids however are a tricky one for some races. Goblins and gnomes there’s not really any issue there. Aside from certain members of their race embracing their connection with nature and rejecting technology (that’s more likely for the poorer underclass of goblins, or heck even leper gnomes that have lived with severe consequences). That said, ones who embrace nature and want to rededicate their technology in balance with it, so their druid forms mix cybernetics with animal forms, is also a good route.

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GETTING TO THE POINT, undead druids seem the most antithetical thing since sliced air. I’ve been considering a solid story hook for a while now, and frankly I’ve seen enough NPC dialog and bizarre instances to suggest that undead druids could make perfect sense, as an “other side of the coin” thing. Many druids talk about the importance of recognizing stable cycles in nature, and chief amongst that is the cycle of life and death. Undeath seems like it defies that cycle, but what if there’s a way to integrate undeath into the cycle after all, and bring it into balance?

In the zones completely dominated by undeath, we see how many living entities have found ways to coexist with undeath. Gigantic maggots, rats, bats, somehow they find a way without “turning” themselves. There are also numerous bizarre instances of entirely peaceful undead entities, such as rotting bears and dears set to “neutral”, just grazing on plagued grains growing in the fields. There’s a cycle between life, unlife, and true death going on in these areas. Then, there’s the fey-drunk darters in the whispering forest of Tirisfal. This is a strange event that still isn’t fully explained. That region has an old god general buried under it’s lake, and it was supposedly where the high elves first made landfall on arriving from Kalimdor. Alright, this explains where the fey dragons came from, but not their behavior at the mushroomy faerie circle, or why the undead wildlife respond the way they do. Perhaps they’re trying to either keep the old god asleep under the lake, or purge the undeath infecting the region. What I do know is that fey dragons have a strong connection to the emerald dream, phasing in and out of it at will. It may be that the presence of so much undeath across practically a whole subcontinent almost certainly has affected the Dream. It may be that in response, even the fey dragons are attempting to bring some new kind of balance to the area, to give a cycle to undeath. It’d also fit with Sylvanas’ greatest concern, that the forsaken can’t reproduce without taking the bodies of the deceased and “rising” them. All those undead deer and critters roaming around, falling to pieces with sickly green glows in their eyes, they stop roaming to peacefully coexist with the song the darters are singing.

What if there’s a way to bring a cycle to it? Mushrooms are part of the cycle that reassimilates dead tissue into brand new living things, a way for undeath to rejoin the cycle of nature after passing, and those living in these plagued lands might die, and be raised again to undeath, completing the cycle. This may be the fate of any living who choose to live in the area now, but it may not be something to be seen as a curse. The living reproduce, the dead rise and eventually meet true death to be absorbed by the mushrooms and maggots, and that fuels more living. Imagine the interesting rituals that could some day form around such a complex cycle, and imagine how druids may respond, some recognizing that not all undeath is corruption and forming an order, the “druids of the soil”. They would take on undead forms, or forms strongly associated with death like a large mushroomy critter as their tree form, a rotting dear as their travel form, and so on. Undead druids would certainly cause a stir back at Moonglade, and they’d likely have to set up a camp across the lake and very far from the others, but they’d have a presence. A cycle of undeath to death back to life. I can even imagine a questline where to fully establish this respect for a new part of this cycle of nature specific to the Plaguelands (the properly named plaguelands, Silverpine, Tirisfal, and even whatever of the Ghostlands haven’t been fully cleaned up yet), the elves dedicate a newly christaned World Tree, an undead gnarled world tree covered in everything from mushrooms to termites, meant to maintain that balance with the other living world trees, such as the arcane world tree currently feeding the nightborne’s mana addiction. A big ol’ haunted world tree planted right there, in the whispering forest in the exact spot the darters are doing their ritual.

Anyway, that’s the idea I had for it.

Technically there is already a perfectly rounded path of Druidism the Forsaken can take upon, as they almost embody it through the Thornspeakers path.

Personally this would be a good compromise. I’d love for the Undead to have the Briar forms us KT have, and it would also allow a bit of an expansion upon the druidic faith of death, decay, and rebirth.

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Plague druids were also a thing back in the RPG days, imo if they ever give forsaken druids i hope for forms based of scavengers, hyena cat form, vulture flight form, etc

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Thank you for sending me down this bit of a lore rabbit hole. There are quicker paths to this, I was just letting my thoughts run away towards what a grander full quest of undead druidism could be based around.

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I thought the Decay magics we saw the gnolls wield(in dragonflight) would be pretty cool for the forsaken.

I guess it also doesn’t just have to be one thing but a coalescence of different methodologies such as drustvar witches, gnoll decay magic, and maybe the forsaken apothecarium.

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Bold of you to assume than instead of going for these very cool and perfectly sensical ideas (Drust druidism, Decay magic, etc) Blizzard won’t simply write a questline about some very open-minded Nelf guy teaching these poor undead the ways of CENARIUS (the only Druid school worthy of narrative focus in their eyes)

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It’s the only true Druidsm. Other races merely tapped into nature magic and by virtue of gameplay mechanics were given the title ld Druids.

Any undeath druid would be an enemy of true druids.

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Easy now gramps, you might sprain something. You just don’t GET the young people and our cooler edgier druidism.

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No it’s not the “only true Druidism”, that doesn’t even mean anything, druidism in this setting is an umbrella term for a wide array of culture-specific practices that generally tap into Life magic and resemble each other in their common reverence for “Nature” and the loose notion of “the cycle of Life and Death”. That includes Cenarian druidism, ancient Yaungol druidism, Drust druidism, shapeshifting/Loa-centered Troll druidism, the Harvest Witch practice descended from the spiritual systems of early Humans, and other minor practices.

Also the Drusts themselves refer to their old ways as “druidism”, explicitly using that word.

I know Nelf fans generally like being the Super Special Chosen Ones, but the Cenarian druids aren’t the only druids, and they likely weren’t even the first druids.

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Also Elune is literally okay with Fel so I think we’re good on that front LMAO

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This is why I PvP. Some people just deserve to get got for the dumb stuff that comes out of their mouth.

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It doesn’t surprise me at all. Undead Warlock and Horde. Of course the first solution that comes to your mind is to kill.

Don’t blame me. Blame Blizzard and the lore that once existed. I grew up with a lore that keeps changing each expansion. It was once stated that Malfurion along Night Elves were the first true Druids while other races only practiced Nature Magic. It was a distinction made by Blizzard not me.

I agree that I shouldn’t cling on unreliable lore that may or may not be true now but until the very last moment we get the confirmation that Malfurion is no longer the first Druid we can infer that previous practitioners were not in fact Druids.

Yeah if I remember correctly Chronicles volume 1 did mention Malfurion being the first “druid”, but that book was released before BFA and the introduction of the Drusts, so there’s that

Even back then though this idea of the Cenarians being the “only actual druids” was just weird, because they’d be the only caster class for which such a distinction exist. Shamans, Priests and Warlocks for instance are also umbrella terms that may refer to tons of different culture-specific realities.

That’s why I’ve always said that the use of Nature Magic shouldn’t make one a Druid.

Like for example Fire Mages and Destruction Warlocks both use Fire but are 2 separate classes. Priests and Paladins both use lights differently. So being users of “Nature” magic but applied in reverse is ok but from my perspective should be made into another class and not force them into Druids.

Even is they get the most amazing lore and perfectly makes sense, we would get the same life Nature magic casting Regrowth and Rejuvenation that would invalidate the idea those undeath Druids would try to express.

Again that’s is my opinion.

Careful there! It happened to me and it will most likely happen to you when you get to my age and see the weird things future young people will do :joy:

No way old man! I’m going to be punk rocking forever (echoing forever… forever…).

Forever…. wait… damn it!

Looking into the Drust a little further, it sounds like they’d be a great source of taught Druidism to the Kul Tirans, so that both sides get their “undeath druids” going on. I think perhaps a reflavor of a number of spell effects, simply replacing green tinted magic with grey and black tints, would really sell it. It’d be the sort of thing a druid could flip back and forth between, like how warlocks can swap back and forth between green and red fire.

That’s been my request for priest since waaay back in my days. NE priests casting Holy Light spells feels so awkward and out of place so if by gameplay we are forced to play human style priests well that’s life but at least with some silver/white/blue spells we can pretend we are playing a proper Priestess of the Moon.

That could be useful for this horrible Undead Druid idea of younglings.

Lore wise what would their role be? Would they be casting rot and diseases to kill things or they would be just regular healing druids with a skin disease?

I tried to get across the idea in my initial wall o’ text but to summarize it a little, they’d be tapping into undeath rather than life in an attempt to reflect the “other side” of life’s balance. So, their attacks would likely have that sort of balance going on, with dead suns and eclipsed moons, with rot and the like. Their “heals” would be tapping into that as well, so being healed by a druid of the soil or whatever they’d be called would, to the living, feel like becoming undeath. VERY unpleasant, but that’s what the living GET after all those living healers were channeling painful light and life into an undead body to heal it… which worked but hurt like HELL damnit!

Tbh, there are plenty of ways to take something traditionally perceived as negative (death, decay, wrath, etc) and explore what actually makes these things interesting, valuable and even worthy of reverence. All it takes is some creativity. For example, Lukou, one of the Darkspear’s matron Loa, is the Loa of Pain—but pain as part of the healing process, like the pain of a fever, or mourning and grief.

As such, death and decay are part of the cycle of life. The death of one is the sustenance of another, and plant life grows off decayed and dead matter. Similarly, a wildfire brings destruction, but it also brings creation, since it clears away old growth (making space and light for new plants), and the ashes enrich the soil.

So yeah. Just get creative. That’s why they should stop always recycling the same old traditional fantasies.

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