Howdy!
So, my target DPS is 350k to 400k to be beneficial to my parties and all that, or even to be considered a viable option.
But I struggle to hit and maintain 200k DPS.
I’ve downloaded WAs, and tens of custom auras for fight mechanics, frontal avoidance, and situational awareness.
I’ve simmed my character again and again and again.
I watch meters and I watch other monks and what they’re doing that I’m not, mostly using Serenity or JFS.
And I just can’t. I am trying my absolute hardest. I have read and re-read the guides, over and over and over to the point of getting migraines and having nightmares. I put every ounce of energy I can into understanding this class,
And my DPS is dog. Not even worth bringing along and I am trying my hardest to cast every GCD and to cast the right spell based on my priorities and procs.
Garbage, every time.
For comparison I have a lvl 484 BM Hunter and I can auto-attack and do similar damage.
I have crafted macros, I have rebound my keybinds to the point I have run out of alphabetical characters to bind. I have… practiced in front of dummies for hours.
Soooo, what am I doing wrong? I cannot figure it out.
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Sounds like a talent and core rotational issue.
Go to Warcraft logs and see what monks are playing on each boss.
There is an addon that helps with your rotation. I think it’s called hekilli. It should tell you what to press. Not sure if it works in aoe though. You can use it until you figure out what you are doing wrong.
Double check you are using consumables.
Runes on weapons, flask and potion
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I use it, Hekili that is, and follow the suggestions it uses.
I use both trinkets and my weapon whenever they’re off cooldown, when the boss HP is not near a phase change, and Djaruun before burst windows with SEF, FoF, and SRK.
I use vials of tepid versatility, as well as power phials during combat with 5 min cooldowns.
I still do less damage fully enchanted and gemmed with multiple BIS items, than an auto attacking hunter in quest greens and LFR gear. So…
I can only attribute this to a problem in rotation or in latency, as my 490 monk appears to do more than you according to me hitting a target dummy for a bit with no buffs or enchants. Are you sure you’re not accidentally hitting the same dps ability twice and dropping the combo?
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No, I am most certainly not because I know not to drop mastery above all else and have it weak aura’d above my four set of action bars. Never hit the same button twice, make sure you use Invoke Xuen when off cooldown and when you’ll have a opening to attack for 20s. It also gives haste so use it at the beginning of your opener. Always try to line up SEF with Fist of the Mountainlord and then FoF, to Sunrise Kick… I unno man.
Take one of your logs and put it into the website wow analyzer. It’s not great but it will tell you if you have any major problems.
Apart from that just focus on getting better gear.
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I have 512 gearscore. I can’t get better gear at that point if I can’t do content.
Can’t do content above a M0 if you can’t do 200k DPS for a 4 and 300k for a 6. And that’s like, people being kind and taking you on low end of DPS.
Honestly, 200k DPS is what ppl expect for a 2, so…
Without something concrete like some logs, any suggestions will be guess work.
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I will have to go fight something after work then, since I can’t do much now. I also have no idea how I would share that here.
My friend was so obsessed with getting his dps to 300 but barely touched 200. I suggested he instead focus on mechanics, survivability and dps will eventually come with practice. He oftened died to nearly everything. Once he finally took my advice, he started hitting avg 300 after about a month or so but your situation could be different.
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Your Kazzara log had you at about 180k. A quick sim for about the same time on a Patchwerk had you at 280k. (edited for clarification)
So you’re not as far behind as you think you are, but there’s still tons of room for improvement.
I ran your Kazzara kill from earlier through WoWanalyzer
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/Gv6Wdqy2DzptaKPC/1/2
It spat out the following mistakes.
You’re dropping your mastery, you should aim to ALWAYS have 6 stacks on a fight where you can have high uptime (which you can on that). You’re dropping stacks every ~30 seconds or so and it’s taking you ~10s to build stacks up again. You had a BIG gap at around 1:30 where you dropped Hit Combo and didn’t build it back up to 6 until 2:00.
You’re not casting RSK enough, tons of gaps where you could have cast it more. Cause remember. Cause if RSK is a 10s CD, and you leave it on CD for an extra second 10x, then you’re essentially lost an entire RSK over the course of the fight.
Same with Fists of Fury, you’ve got big gaps in your rotation where you COULD have gotten a complete extra cast with how long you’re leaving it on CD.
If the fight had have gone on a bit longer, you would have missed an extra cast of Strike of the Windlord.
You also didn’t use a potion, but I won’t count that against you cause it was only a heroic kill.
So to TLDR it, keep your spenders on CD when possible and don’t let your mastery drop off.
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Okay. Wonder how I can avoid dropping Mastery then, since I try above all else not to repeat attacks. Might just be double pressing something…
As for using my CDs that makes sense, I keep trying to save everything for when SEF are off CD.
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I don’t play WW, so this is all guesswork, but your mastery is dropping every 30s like clockwork.
Looking at the timeline of buffs, the first removal was when you cast SEF for a second time. Would double casting that (since it is an ability that can be reactivated) remove Hit Combo? Or maybe since you go TP>SEF>TP, SEF isn’t counting as an attack for the purpose of Hit Combo?
57 seconds in you double cast Blackout Kick. No mystery there.
1:16>1:28 you cast no attacks, so I imagine that’s what caused it to drop.
1:30>1:47 no attacks
1:47 you double cast TOD.
So in addition to the issues I highlighted before, you’ve got a huge amount of downtime. Sometimes that’s due to fight mechanics but it explains the drop-off of your mastery and why you’re so low despite an otherwise solid execution.
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Ohhhh, I thought ToD wasn’t part of the combo mastery since you only have 5 seconds to cast it again or it goes on CD for 2 mins.
Alright, so ToD has to Tiger Palm between the consecutive casts. OK.
As for the others, no attacks is usually me unable to reach boss. That feels like most fights, most of the time.
And good to know SEF doesn’t count as something to cast between Tiger Palms.
Oh, and double blackout kick is just what happens when I mess up pushing buttons. So that’s an input mistake.
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You did reactivate SEF, test on a dummy whether it’s SEF’s reactivation causing it to drop or whether SEF itself doesn’t count as an attack. Could be either way with how Blizzard word/code abilities.
Yeah, that’s melee life. Though realistically speaking downtime (from either mechanics or player skill) is what causes huge gaps in throughput. Generally speaking, it’s better to do a rotation wrong than it is to do nothing.
WW is kind of a different beast cause of Hit Combo, but does WW have any ranged abilities to activate Hit Combo? Does Crackling Jade Lightning or Expel Harm work? Cause if so, if you can’t hit the boss, it’s almost certainly worth dumping a GCD and a bit of energy into a sub-optimal ability if it keeps your stacks going.
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Well, CJL is ranged so that’d definitely help. It just does nearly 0 damage lol.
Honestly bro use hekili. You’ll get at least 85%+ of your sim dps
It shouldn’t be, a huge part of playing melee is about maximising uptime whilst still doing mechanics, using mobility to minimise mandatory time spent away from the boss, as well as learning to play mechanics in melee range whilst maintaining your rotation where appropriate. 15 seconds of downtime for any reason is pretty unacceptable generally.
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Playing windwalker. If it’s your first effort into playing and trying to hit theoretical max dps you’re just going to frustrate yourself.
Do 3 minute dps tests on target dummies, single target and aoe (separately). At least 5 of each set daily. Do these between queues or whatever. Use details to track your mastery to make sure you’re not dropping.
Do this until your rotation is all muscle memory and you never have pauses thinking about what skill comes next, then start logging your raid fights to dive deeper.
Aside from the good advice about WOW analyzer, it could also be useful to compare the “Guide’s” opener versus Hekili, versus quick-sim.
For Warlock, I don’t think either the Destro or Demo opener is very accurate in Hekili, I found the most gains through looking at the action list of my single target quick sim and applying that in-game.