Ultimately, Sylvanas should...,

What I’d love would be for her to end up in chains like Garrosh. Then, we as players get to vote on her fate. Blizzard can have a few choices that we as players get to vote on. Then once the decision is made, we have an in game event on every server that dishes out her punishment, not unlike the AQ event. Would be a lot of fun to have that level of interaction with in game world.

What remains of her corpse to be strung up as a banner in warning to any other maniacal psychopath who seeks to take our story or factions off the deep end.

Her essence expunged from existence so she can no longer return to life in any form and whoever bears the name Windrunner to be hunted down like dogs and exterminated in the same fashion.

Then and only then can we put this pathetic mess of a story behind us.

Not going to happen. Sylvanas is too popular for them to kill her off. As far as atonement goes, people don’t understand Sylvanas. They look at the outside rather than the core aspects that make the character who they are. Sylvanas has been at war with herself since she was made a banshee. She’s struggled with hope as Anduin pointed out. Sylvanas is not a character you can make a conclusion about just based on a few bad things she’s done. You gotta learn about her character from the beginning and apply everything we know now to what she has been through before.

As far as what will happen with Sylvanas come next patch? Who knows. I think she’ll end up fighting against the jailer and using her knowledge of all his craftiness against him. The story can go any which way right now. We just have to wait and see. Tyrande is still out there as well as Nathanos so it’ll be interesting how they play a part in all of this.

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I think we’re going to find a way to repair the broken souls.

Uther,
Anduin,
Sylvanas,
The Archon,
(Maybe even) Arthas.

All souls broken by a mourneblade will be able to be repaired and become whole again. In a flash of light Anduin and Sylvanas will both become their former blonde selves. Sylvanas will of course be dead dead and have to stay in the shadowlands, probably as kyrian so she can learn to forget. Anduin will return to the throne in Stormwind.

Because Arthas wasn’t in control of himself for most of his “reign”.
For when he was, it was manipulation by the Dread Lords that guided his actions. And if Dread Lords can manipulate gods and Naaru, then Arthas was easily susceptible.

Also, not saying what Arthas did at Lordaeron was 100% acceptable, but purging it sure was 1000000000% time more “morally gray” then literally anything Sylvanas has ever done, despite the devs titling her as such.

It shows how much worse she’s become than him, because 100% of her actions have been her own choice, and she admits it.
Arthas was dominated by the Helm.

If you think Arthas is to blame for what he did, then you believe Andiun is to blame for what he’s currently doing.

All of that was before he wore the crown. He wasn’t being controlled by anything.

So when Arthas was being manipulated by powerful forces its not his fault. But sylvanas, deathwing, garrosh, and various other villains corrupted or controlled by someone else are pure evil? Im not buying it.

So genocide by Arthas being “manipulated” is ok.

But genocide by sylvanas who might also be being manipulated or controlled is unacceptable?

I’m trying to understand the logic here.

Everything I listed happened before he put on the crown. He was Arthas still. Not the lich king. And Arthas chose to purge stratholm. That was before the dreadlords were really involved and before frostmourne.

If you think Arthas isn’t to blame for his actions you are a blind fanboy. Arthas is a monster. He should stay dead and locked in the maw. And sylvanas should go in the empty cell right next to him. Niether of them deserve redemption.

And Arthas sure as fel does not deserve the killing blow.

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I hope she takes the Rez and comes back as her old high elf self and rejoins Anduins Alliance bring High Elves backing the Alliance fold!

We Horde get Ogres!

Returned as rightful leader of the Horde, as it should have been since 2004.

Nah her living life was spend fighting the Horde in the second war. Never made sense to all humans (even dead ones) into the horde. Sadly we DID get the skinny humans with pointy ears :frowning:

  • Sylvanas is doing this of her own choice. She’s stated this multiple times.
  • Deathwing was driven insane by being too close to the prison of N’zoth. That was also his own choice after becoming insane. He was influenced, but in control.
  • Garrosh made all of his own decisions. He wasn’t corrupted until he found and used the Heart of Y’shaarj. Until the very end, he was in control of every single one of his actions. In fact, even fleeing to Draenor was again, his own choosing.
    Why else do you think he told his father not to drink the fel blood?
    So they could remain in control of themselves, be pure, and not join the Legion.

Arthas chose to cull Stratholme. Yes, we know that. That was a morally gray decision, because within a few minutes (Most likely hours, if it were “real time”), the residents started turning and devouring each other.

It was technically for the greater good, but it wasn’t a very “good” action.

Sylvanas did what she did because it was her choice. She chose to serve the Jailer, and she chose to burn Teldrassil; on a whim, if I might add.
She only chose to burn it because a single Night Elf pissed her off by saying “You cannot kill hope.”
She burned it purely out of spite for this one-liner.

Arthas kill those people because they were going to turn and get loose on Azeroth. If any infected got out to be saved, well… That’s how a scourge apocolypse starts.

I never said Arthas wasn’t to blame for his actions. However, the only major act of “evil” he committed by his own choosing was Stratholme. He is to blame for that.
And again, that decision was 100x more morally gray than anything Sylvanas has ever done.
Once he found Frostmourne, he was still partially in control. With the helm, he had none.

I’m reminded of that song from the Wizard of Oz.

The one the Munchkins sing when Dorothy drops the house in that woman…

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Yes because mindcontrolled and manipulated people have NEVER thought they were right at the time :roll_eyes:

Just like Arthas. He didn’t need to purge strat. She didn’t have to pick up frostmourne. He didn’t have to chase down the Dreadlords. He didn’t have to return and murder his family. He didn’t have to wipe out half the elves. He was influenced and ultimately chose to do all that.

How do we know she wasn’t manipulated?

Or was she manipulated into thinking that was the only choice by the Jailer?

Seemingly at the time. But as we know now that was her plan all along to send souls to the maw. For the Jailer. Who has been manipulating her since icc.

She did it to support the Jailer and send him souls.

Oh yeah that thing Arthas lead later on as the lich king.

Are you sure about that? Because you literally said that here. Going back on your own arguments now?

Ok so then he had some control of him self during all his other genocides but those don’t count I guess because Arthas.

I swear Arthas fanboys are as bad as Illidan fanboys. They will go red in the face screaming about how their favorite character deserves redemption because they “DiDnT cHoOsE tO cOmMiT aTtRoCiTiEs!!”

But when a character they don’t like passes gas in the same room as them it’s irredeemable and they should be executed.

I’ll say my piece again: Arthas is a great irredeemable villain who committed numerous acts of atrocities and genocide. He does not deserve redemption. He does not deserve the killing blow on sylvanas. He doesn’t deserve to be redeemed. He deserves to rot in the maw for eternity.

Sylvanss is a poor villain who has committed numerous atrocities and genocide. She does not deserve redemption. She deserves to rot in the maw right next to Arthas.

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Die.

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He was to blame for Stratholme, and the things he did before he was literally mind controlled. This is the entire point I’ve been making, and I’ve said this already. I should have stated more clearly that he wasn’t to blame for what he did when he became The Lich King. That’s my fault for not doing so.

Arthas, for all the terrible shiz he did, was mind controlled for a major part of it.
Yes, he did bad things of his own free will; Stratholme was the worst. Absolutely nothing he did made him bad enough to go to The Maw of all places.
If Garrosh didn’t, then Arthas wouldn’t have.

But as The Lich King? He was 100% mind controlled.
He fought Ner’zhul for “control” (If you can even call it that with the Jailer pulling the strings) but in the end, there was only a tiny portion of Arthas left. And that tiny portion was the part that actually kept the Scourge in check, preventing it from going any further than it did. Blizzard and the characters state this.

There’s a very large difference between Sylvanas joining the Jailer out of her own free will, and Arthas being mind controlled.
Sylvanas’ entire arc is about “free will”.
The Forsaken are given free will.
She tries to recruit Andiun of his own free will.
Every choice she made to break everyone out of the “servitude of death” was of her own free will.
Burning Teldrassil was her own free will. It’s pretty clear in the video. None of her men knew about it (Not even Nathanos), or she would have just simply done it sooner.

You’re assuming I’m an Arthas fanboy, which I am not. I didn’t care for Warcraft 3 outside of custom game modes. You can even see from my first two comments in this thread that the only reason I suggested it would be to make Sylvanas fanboys rage.

For her to die, body be destroyed, and left wordlessly without another mention to her name for the entire rest of eternity.

Not even the satisfaction of having some lasting impact on the world that people might be able to remember her by.

Just gone, like she was never here.

The game would be much better off for it.

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Calling her body will be destroyed, but she will escape as a banshee

Nothing I have talked about happened while the crown was on his head. None of it. It was all before.

By that logic Arthas became the lich king of his own free will. When sylvanas died at icc she could have been corrupted and manipulated and then returned to life. She thinks it was her choice but maybe it wasn’t? Doesn’t change that she deserves to die though.

Ha! Sure. If you weren’t you wouldn’t care this much.

Enjoy your double standards trying to protect a monster worse than Sylvanas.

Escapes and sets up the new Forsaken homeland in Northrend. Setting up a future return to ICC.

Honestly I do not care what happens to Arthas, I just want Sylvanas erased from existance never to be seen or heard from again.

The only reason I’m responding is because you continue to make up excuses for Sylvanas’ actions (Despite them having no real hidden meaning or motive, because Blizzard doesn’t write like that), and are saying Arthas is somehow deserving of The Maw, but not Garrosh. Or Deathwing. Or Gul’dan. Or Kil’Jaeden.

The Maw is for “the worst of the worst”.
Somehow, Arthas who killed people on one planet, is worse than Garrosh who did it on two? Or Kil’Jaeden who’s done it on infinite, across multiple timelines?
And we’ve already seen Garrosh in Revendreth’s video, so I hate to break it to you, but your argument sinks with that fact alone.

Please.
Enjoy the head-canon believing Arthas will genuinely end up caged in The Maw for eternity.