This was the “bring the player, not the class” expansion, and by cata they had basically locked hybrids into single roles on the specs with much more limitation on how well they can actually function as “hybrids.”
There’s basically no such thing as a hybrid in a 25 man raid anyway. People maximize the role they play, they don’t try to do a split between two roles at once.
It’s not like DKs had their DPS penalized because all 3 specs were hybrid tanks at launch either.
And paladins weren’t made worse at healing due to having 2 other possible roles.
The whole idea of the hybrid tax was shortsighted in the first place.
I’d settle for about the same as the other mid tier DPS. No one is seriously asking to be top of the meters.
By the hybrid argument, DKs should be gutted from their current standings in a brutal nerf.
If a class isn’t meant to fill a role as well as the rest of the pack, it shouldn’t have the option to spec into it. Someone that specialized and geared as ret also can’t just queue into a group as a tank or healer.
Sure, they could get a new spec, and a new gear set, and start over, but that’s not even that significantly less work than just rerolling given the fact that paid boosting exists in wrath.
There’s nothing wrong with wanting all of the specs to be balanced well.
I mean, it impacts all rets to be doing about 1k less DPS than the next best DPS played equally well. Don’t know why you think that only applies to world first players.
But yes, they are the ones most likely to ditch ret entirely because they don’t have any need to run less than optimal comps in challenging content. It’s easy for them to run 15 DK groups and cut all of the lesser DPS if they need to.
I don’t care that I can get a 95 parse and barely beat better classes that are only pulling 70s.
There’s no negating that when ret is played equally well as the other DPS classes, it’s noticeably worse.
It doesn’t require perfect play to notice the difference, and stop pretending that it does.
It also impacts more than just speedrunners, although they tend to care more than the average dad guild like what I’m in.
If choosing a class for DPS, and you can play each of them as well as the others, ret gives noticeably less DPS than any other option you could go with, and this will be getting worse in Ulduar, not better.
It’s not a good time to be a Ret if you don’t just want to be at least a 1k deficit in DPS compared to any other DPS class you could be playing instead.
Ok. How about this question.
Do you think you will be unable to clear ulduar as a ret paladin? Or are you just upset you are getting out dps’d by another class?
Because if you can clear it doing less dps I dont see an issue at all besides ego.
Most people are terrible enough not to exploit their class to thr fullest potential. You do not play with the best of the best so dont give me that crap.
Go away then lol.
The average gamer makes stupid mistakes and decisions all the time. Stop pretending they dont.
Then all this ret crying shouldnt even concern you one bit.
Okay, go reroll if the only thing you care about is how much a class can parse.
This is why we have the garbage class design we do in retail, because apparently parses are the only thing that matter.
Nah, they are legitimate complaints. The game is badly balanced. I don’t expect it to change, but I’m not going to pretend that everything is fine.
It’s not going to stop me from personally playing Ret, but it will cause some to lose their raid slots, or need to reroll.
It’s just a weak class. When stuff is easy, like Naxx, it literally doesn’t matter, but it doesn’t make Ret suddenly not weak.
Will it matter in Ulduar? Maybe on some of the hardest fights, maybe not. The more blizz pushes the fights to be hard, the more the class DPS differences matter at all levels of play.
You dont need to be a cutting edge sweatlord playing the “very best” class to beat ulduar. Again, this is a skill issue. Also, balancing classes only on parses is both stupid and dumb. Go back to retail.
People reroll all the time, for a multitude of reasons. Who cares if some fotm kids cry. They are gonna lose spots anyways cuz theres just too many rets, period.
Shut up and go play the game then instead of whining all the time about hypothetical situations of min-maxing where you arent gonna experience anyways because you legit admitted you arent playing with mega sweatlords.
