I think this pretty much sums up the game’s turn over the past decade. It’s so formulaic and extreme peak-and-valley’d that you can just fall asleep between cooldowns now. It can switch from feeling like a Raid to AWC in your average MMR lobby, all depending on two or three micro-CC’s nigh randomly placed without communication. It’s pretty hectic for all involved, but especially hard for new players to get into and justify staying.
I can’t wait for when we can’t see CDs and DRs /s
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Whoosh
Seriously I do not get your point. You like agreeing with me and flaming me at the same time.
Looking up some basic numbers from DF to now.
I am lookin at % health damage per global spent when it comes to comparing 2 expansions DF and TWW:
Claw was hitting 14-19% of someone’s HP per global with rotten touch and all CDs now its 8-15% of someones health bar
Death Coil and Wounds had similar treament, actually doomburst with 2 wounds was creating a kill opportunities for DKs back in DF comparatively to a good 4.5mil Mortal Strike Hit.
Our sustain damage per global was higher than it is now, and it comes from Claw, Coil and Wounds they hit harder in DF than they are hitting now by roughly 20-30%.
Also back in a day diseases we viable and they were rotting up to around 1.2% of someones HP per tick now its 0.7% if we lucky.
Anyway these are the numbers I was able to pull up reviewing my old DF footage and now.
You can reply and re iterrate my points and then flame me again, but I am done argueing with a double digit invetibrate here. Go get a life keyboard warrior.
Coming from the guy who says UDK cd’s are trash but too strong so they need nerf while ignoring the individual mods applied to our abilities vs players is hilarious.
Quit posting short bus. If you wanted better sustain all you’d need is to take Necrotic wounds back to 12% or up to 15%. Or remove all the player specific damage mods on our abilities.
What you’re asking for would put Unholy where frost was/is last expac, dead last in pvp. Which is exactly what happened.
Dude…
You seriously lacking some IQ points. Bye, move on, go somewhere else. Shoo… I brought some numbers to arguement lets see you do the same.
Our offensive CDs are trash and create bloated damage. Horsemen attacking healers or random targets, pets doing not that great of a damage, Abom walking at 50% speed and not applying wounds.
(Let me spell it out for morons like you more - horsemen attacking healer because they follow some kind of argo is literally a phantom meaningless damage as every healer has any form of self heal while healing group (priest prayer mending, flash heal healing them for 20%.
What this means is that our pets do fake damage that easily outhealed and they dont even do that damage on the target we are on.)
These CDs are clunky yet they bloat our damage numbers.
How could you argue that nerfing some of the horsemen, pet damage but buffing our sustain via Claw, Coil and Wounds is a bad thing?
Begone pest, learn the class first then comeback argue again. Better yet post on your DK and not a rogue. Ignoring your incoherent ramblings until then.
You two are basically the same rating as Unholy rn though. Why even aruge over a game that is old enough to drink?
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https://check-pvp.fr/
You can see my dk there if you want.
Unholy community has been asking for the ‘pet attack’ to influence horsemen since Alpha. This, not a damage nerf would solve the issue that you and literally everyone else that plays the spec and hero talent setup has with it. Not nerfing them to buff CS/Coil.
Spoiler alert, UDK was garbage in Shadowlands when we have none of what we have today until season 3 of that expac.
Spoiler alert number two, the devs did exactly what you’re asking for to Frost last expansion and this caused the spec to be nearly unplayable for the whole expac.
Also hilarious is you talking about doing math, quoting some random hp%'s and saying ‘math bro’… not the way that works. What you’d have to show with actual numbers is how our damage output is lacking in comparison with EHP/Healing available.
BTW telling someone who’s parsed 100% in raids on both specs to ‘learn the class’ who can also go over 3m burst in pvp (current season) to ‘learn the class’ while you’re in here crying about all the wrong things is actually hilarious.
Stay stupid Vlad.
Now you bringing PvE (which is drastic rotation from PvP as you mentioned because of modifiers)
Frost DK
And a general link with no actual character.
Strawmanning at its finest my friend.
Stick to the topic on UH damage numbers. You think they are fine? You think our base damage is where it should be? I would like actually hear some arguements from you.
Also about math, very simple how many globals it takes to kill someone. If our damage per global is low that corelates into our pressure being low over all. I brought at least some numbers comparing DKs from DF to TWW and overall feel. What did you bring 3mil pasing. Great job!
Unholy damage isn’t fine in pvp.
In the context of PVE it’s fine, if not great. It has very good AoE/cleave.
In a pvp environment AoE and Cleave isn’t as powerful generally because you dont have 14 adds stacked close to each other.
Good damage and super tanky in 3s. Bad in shuffle but not impossible
Whole thread skill issue
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Bruh,
Both DKa are bottom 4 melee classes.
No denying skill issue, I am a current potato out there. But come on turn on your critical thinking skills my friend.
Bottom 4 is in no way good damage or pressure.
I get it you R1 have your friends and you can que all the time yada yada. But for the rest and people coming back we don’t have our partners, LFG is busted. Yeah there are some DKa that always push high ranks, however still does not mean we are fine when we have 3-4x rep above 2400.
And 2400+ are only few DK players with myriad of alts.
It’s really only bad in shuffle and even tho it’s bad it absolutely farms at lower mmr where most people play at
DK dmg is high on details until you look at how it’s broken down. Huge swaths of it is just cleave onto pets and other nonsense. Focus targets receive much less than it looks.
We still get absolutely straight up destroyed by both warrior specs both 1v1 and in group scenarios. It’s comically imbalanced. We’re still by far the worst melee class (somehow frost is performing even worse).
I’ve toyed with pet build just to get my burst higher but I’m so demoralized rn that I’m just doing random BGs as blood and rerolling warrior in the not so distant future. Everyone should, maybe then they’ll finally get the draconian nerfs they deserve.
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Such blatant disinformation lol you can use details to see single target damage and unholy is on par // way higher than most specs
Our utility is rly bad but it’s gonna stay that way prob cuz chains
I’m sorry but “it’s just pad” is about as over played as “we die in stuns”
Every spec is cleaving off pets
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Yeah, you can post a screencap or it didn’t happen
Can add me on discord it’s just Amatox and I’ll post every details I have
That gave me dejavu and I remembered you said the same thing and I sent you screenshots last season
I just looked at our dms lmao
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Sent, can upload more details logs if you need
You’ve got me confused with someone else friend
Oh my bad I sent it all to reinhart, add me on cord rq
I don’t have Discord lmao