You mean like OP holding it as undeniable fact that a cinematic is without question more impactful than text within a novel?
Try again.
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I do want to run interference here for a second, because I think this is stepping somewhat out of the frame of the example - and I absolutely do not want to entertain a discussion of whether the Horde has it worse with Baine or the Alliance has it worse with Anduin - which is what I see coming. My point was that Varian’s death “sticks” more with players, and is far more memorable than Cairne’s death, because his death was hidden in transmedia narrative. Which again, is a crime.
Regarding your second point - and this is a more general one - if we are going to comment on what should happen in an MMO with multiple player communities, then we need to make an honest effort at taking those communities’ positions into account - so that everyone ends up with a satisfying experience.
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Neither do I, because I can recognize that some Alliance might not care that Baine represents the Tauren on the Horde side.
Alliance players? Maybe.
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I would recommend stop assuming Cairne would come across any better. At best he would be another Lor’themar which is honestly not a compliment at this point (let his people get killed in a war that was never going to do them any favors, even admits he failed to do anything about Sylvanas until awful things happened). That old tauren was a non-entity in WoW. A peace-oriented character getting more spotlight was always going to have problems when they don’t give the Horde validation for wanting to fight the Alliance. Maybe he would have died challenging Sylvanas instead, but none of the Horde was really allowed to rebel until they were thoroughly dragged through the villain bat mud in the poorly disguised Mists repeat that was BFA.
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Going back to just point this out.
This is because Blizzards own storytelling style, is awful.
Major story beats that should be in game are told in books. Then they are told jankily and bad in game, and then retold with more focus in the books.
There are times where we straight up can’t trust what we see in game, because subsequent books don’t reference or straight up contradict them.
So the whole idea that we should only focus on how things are portrayed in game is flawed from the start and why people are taking such issue with you implying that Carine’s death was less impactful to players just because it appeared in a book.
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I agree with you that Blizzard’s storytelling style is awful, and that’s part of what I’m trying to highlight here. Where I disagree is this implication that I have to adjust my standards for criticism to match Blizzard’s awful methods of storytelling.
Things like failing to present Cairne’s death onscreen? Where people could see it? Where it would have more of an impact than it did? Those were bad decisions that ultimately had consequences.
Agreed. One of the reasons Cairne’s death holds so much weight for me is because he was killed off in a book. As Kyalin said, it was criminal.
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i am a night elf fan, i am not worried, if they make her a villain ill just delete my account forever, im tired of being beaten all over without being able to fight back, maybe i wouldnt mind and stay if she razes orgrimmar first.
sorry to be nitpicky but…they also said bfa was going to finish the faction war.
‘http ://www.pcgamer. com/blizzard-answers-some-of-our-biggest-questions-about-world-of-warcraft-battle-for-azeroth/’
Alex Afrasiabi: We feel the Alliance-Horde divide is foundational and fundamental to World of Warcraft as a franchise and as a story, but we danced around it for a very long time. We’ve had run-ins, we’ve had close calls, but we’ve never been able to finish it—to have that resolution. We’re coming out of this expansion, Legion, and the world is not in a great place—the players and the factions themselves are not in a great place because there is all of this old animosity that hasn’t been resolved. It’s time to resolve it.
i wouldnt put any faith on their words…
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Even if Tyrande does become a raid boss in some manner, it doesn’t mean that she will die. For example we fought Azshara in the Nazjatar raid and yet she lives on.
With that said I would prefer Tyrande to be the NPC that fights with us in the raid encounter.
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I’m not putting faith in anything - I’m just highlighting a possibility given what’s already been set up. I think I’ve made it pretty clear that I do not trust this company - but that this post is here to try to provide an alternative to some of the gloom surrounding this topic.
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Jaina in BoD. Mekkagorque also in BoD, as well as Bwonsamdi in BoD.
In that regard Tyrande already has been a boss in a dungeon, and while we kill her it’s an alternate future version of her.
I feel like a Tyrande raid boss for Horde players would just be more of the Jaina problem; it sucks for someone to have an extreme hatred of you and feel like they are justified in doing so despite not being given a real option other than not play.
Tyrande: “You are evil scum, its only a matter of time before you massacre our people again,”
Horde Player: “I know I know. I cannot do otherwise without someone else with a yellow mark above their head is doing the same thing or I see text telling me to do otherwise,”
Tyrande: “What”
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This. Historically, Alliance raid bosses are perfectly fine the next patch of content.
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lol.
I want that horde will be pushed out of Kalimdor with exception for Taurens maintain their capital Thunder Bluff.
Ogrimmar should be nuked with Tyrande’s fart and all orcs burned alive.
THAT WOULD BE FAIR.
You NEFPA aren’t even trying anymore. 
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I died a little inside with that NEFPA post, and we were being so cordial for a while there too
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Yeah, and I want the scattered Troll tribes to rise up as a collective and take back their lost territories from the imperialist Alliance. If the ghostlands needs to be ceded to the Amani, that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.
I want the Tauren to cut ties with the lazy and useless Nelves who’ve never lifted a finger to help them despite the massive debt nelves owed them for Hyjal and the WOTA.
I want the blood elves to hunt down and kill those who participated in the purge, Jaina included.
I want the Dwarven kingdoms decimated and ruined, with the surviving enclaves preyed upon by opportunists so they know what it’s like to be victims of the brutal and bloodyhanded colonialism they love so much.
Neither of us are getting what we want lol.
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And here I am, upset because blizzard can’t even be bothered to make the worgen relevant just once. Not against the horde or anything, but just make them relevant
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Nelves fanboys never waste a second to post their power fantasy about crushing the Horde because of their tree house got smoked.
Can you guys quit with this already?
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Ya would think 2+ yrs would’ve killed off the enthusiasm by now.