I’m referring to the Blood elves.
But the Nightborne are no less guilty than the Highborne Tyrande allowed back into Night elf soceity. It must have been strange as a Nightborne to see Tyrande listing off her fears of them based on their history with Highborne night elves standing beside her.
Blood Elves and Nightborne had nothing to do with Darkshore being sacked and that tree burning. For that, you can thank Sylvanas and Saurfang. Thalyssra was one of the first to rebel against Sylvanas. So I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.
The High Elves that are part of the Alliance didn’t have the mana addiction of the Blood Elves or the Nightborn. That’s the issue.
Another day, another Tyierin troll thread. Tyrande asked a perfectly valid question, OF HER OWN PEOPLE. The highborne helped summon the Legion to our world, they sided with them against the rest of the NEs and the world and then when the crap hit the fan they hide behind a magically shell. When they come crawling back out, they are once again working with the Legion. So when she asks the “rebel leader” if she will be different it is because up to this point they have a track record.
“Tyrande was maybe a little bit mean to these people once, so it’s perfectly reasonable that her home and a majority of her people, mostly civilians, were murdered in cold blood for no reason but sheer malice.”
Yes they do? The High elves are just as addicted to magic as the Blood elves. Ros’eleth from Allerian Stronghold in outland has you collect magic crystals to help satiate the High elves addictions to magic, the Silver Covenant was said to actively use magic crystals to satiate themselves as well. These are not qualities that apply solely to Nightborne, or Blood elves.
Mhm, where did it say that? Unforuently I missed one or two cinematics.
Also I find it weird you quoted my first post and not the other part. The point is just because Thalyrssa got offended by something Tyrande does, doesn’t mean she and the Night elves deserve to have genocide brought down on them. If I went and killed someone who insulted me and my family, am I allowed to get away with it? No.
Also if you are saying they have nothing to do with this, then why bring Thaylrssa up at all? Or the blood elves? If they got nothing to do with it, and Thal was the first to rebel, how is it karma? Your whole post applies they wanted this and are happy about it.
Good job. Your entire thread is made pointless just by pointing out they had no part in this.
Not the High Elves who are part of the Alliance like those in Quel’Danil or Quel’Lithien. Read the lore.
But they do not make up all of Alliance high elves though? Are we simply going to only acknowledge the ones that suit your agenda in this conversation or are we going to be logical and acknowledge all alliance high elves?
And Quel’lithien were not Alliance aligned High elves, which is the entire reason why Lor’themar visits them in Shadows of the Sun. Heck they half-expected to be invited back to Quel’thalas at that point as well.
Ah more Tyierin bait. Never as good as Rastlin threads.
This is a strange topic. Isn’t it easier to just state that it does make some sense as to why the Nightborne grew closer to the Blood Elves than the Night Elves with how both leaders were portrayed in Surumar? Why go to such lengths to make these absurd, absolutist statements? Especially when the NBs joined the Horde before the WoT … so that really isnt a factor.
Tyrande blatantly states she is there to support the rebellion only in service of fighting the Legion; and gives very little consideration to the people there. Liadrin in contrast immediately sympathizes with the shared experiences of going through extreme mana-withdrawal and being betrayed by a beloved leader to the forces of the Fel. Her dialogue constantly reinforces that the NBs are the priority. Rommath is just there geeking out about getting a chance to talk Arcane shop with living relics of the Ancient Kaldorei Empire. A civilization Quel’thalas was built in emulation of.
On top of this is Tyrande’s clear suspicion and contempt for the Highborne civilization … and that is what the Nightborne are. She is the chief political and religious authority figure of her people. To say her opinions matter would be an understatement; and she’s not even the most extreme anti-Highborne leader in the Kaldorei community. Maiev as apparently been completely absolved as of Legion, despite attempting to eradicate the Shal’dorei. Nothing quite as tempting as "I find you and your civilization wrong, come join us so we can look down to you".
Long story short, the BEs had reasons to want to establish strong diplomatic ties with the NBs; the NEs had reasons to not want to. So it all boils down to the NBs choosing to get close to their Cousins that they had a ton in common with, and who wanted to get to know them; rather than their siblings who held nothing but suspicion, and contempt for everything the NBs stood for.
Most of the story for the assault on Darkshore is told in Elegy and a good war.
Yes, but as stated before they had nothing to do with it.
The best revenge is success. Thalyssra and her people were starving on the brink of death and the Night Elves tossed them aside. Now they’re thriving.
Because it’s Tyierin bait. This is his thing. He enjoys insulting people and races just to create these types of responses and long troll threads.
I don’t really think it’s absurd. Most of what I said in the OP is portrayed in game or even said by the characters themselves.
It’s prejudice. Painting an entire race of people the same because of something that happened 10,000 years ago is insane.
And this is what I’m saying. The NB wanted to join the Night Elves. But instead they were treated like monsters.
Uhhh they didn’t think about going back though. The whole point was they felt the same way about mana addiction as the Night Elves and didn’t want any part of that society.
You seem to be the one grasping at straws here. The whole point is the Night Elves have been historically anti magic since the destruction of the Well of eternity and look down on their former countryman who still have that hunger for power.
That’s the entire rationale behind Tyrande’s position toward the Nightborn. It was a weak sauce way to get the Nighborn into the horde by Blizz but it does make sense.
Ahh … I guess I don’t visit GD enough to know the regulars. Seems to be a lot of work to rile people up on what is a fairly straightforward issue; when one remembers that the NBs officially joined the Horde before this messy WoT business started.
Where in the OP did I insult any poster?
I never said you did. “People” encompasses more than posters.
They did though, they assumed Kael’thas had returned and was sending Lor’themar to formally apologize for exiling them. Their gripe was with Lor’themar himself, and how they felt they were discarded, not about the mana-draining itself. Ironically these very same High elves were seduced by a form of magic themselves.
Grasping at straws? I’m stated the lore in its truest state, you’ve only cherry-picked pieces of it to suit your agenda in this conversation. If they were so “anti” magic they would never had accepted the very same Highborne that betrayed them in the first place back into their homes.
If Tyrande was willing to sympathize and accept the Highborne, she should have at least given the Nightborne a chance.
Hate the use of the word ‘toxic’ when applied to vocabulary. Words aren’t toxic. Radiation is.