TWW Pathfinder should no longer exist and the five second toggle switch as a penalty should not exist

The premise of PF was that people do it to experience the zones and story and that is how TBC normal flying is unlocked by being grounded first.

But in TWW the entire point of PF is undermined because you can DR with no strings attached and you are not grounded.

Also if your intention is that to use DR and never TBC normal flying you do not even have to do the story or all the four zones campaigns. In fact you can level in TWW to cap doing just pet battles and still have access to DR.

But if you are trying to use TBC normal flying you can not have these options of leveling to cap doing PVP, gathering, pet battles, dungeons, etc. In fact you are forced into questing which defeats the entire point of PF since you can DR all over the place.

PF gate of "8 hours* is indeed a poor reason to gate players that prefer TBC normal flying and another way for BlizZard not to respect player time or investment in TBC normal flying mounts. I said TBC normal flying mounts because some players see some mounts only purely for TBC normal flying and some for DR. And some players see their mount collection only through the lens of DR or TBC normal flying.

And then there are player accessibility issues as others have said and brought up many times.

But the main point being is that TBC normal flying being gated by PF doesn’t serve purpose at all but punishes returning and new players that wish to use to use TBC normal flying. There is no mastery to DR and in fact it is just a preference and a tool which is why most players would like to switch between DR and TBC normal flying freely.

The toggle switch of five seconds is designed as a sever penalty switch when trying to use both tools like TBC normal flying and DR. Worse, PF is gating a tool like TBC normal flying which again is important for players that can not use DR. Gating an integral tool like TBC normal flying behind PF makes it seems like the devs do not play WoW or do not understand the questing experience. Or how players approach WoW questing. WoW questing is about playing at a pace of your liking and generating a circuit path that makes sense for you to flow and complete quests based on your choices. Choices matter in a MMORPG like WoW. And taking a way choices like gating a tool that is TBC normal flying behind PF makes it seem like the devs are disconnected from how players choose to engage the game.

For months on end players were free to fly around using TBC normal flying or switch to DR and the game wasn’t broken, unbalanced, or hindered or strained at the server level as far as we know! In fact it stayed that way months on end and we heard no complaints, concerns, or dialogue and communications from the devs that was a problem that needed to be solved. Solving a problem that doesn’t exist only causes more problems.

And the more problems that are generated the more questions are starting to be asked. Why choose to penalize players that prefer to use both tools with a five second toggle switch? If DR is seen as superior than TBc normal flying why is TBC normal flying gated? Is TBC normal flying hover more powerful that classes and specs have access to stealth? And why choose to gate TBC normal flying behind 8 hours of questing if it is trivial? If it is trivial then there is no reason for PF to gate TBC normal flying.

As always we hope BlizZard respects player time and investment in WoW but as we all know one step forward and then three steps back.

The hope is that TWW is closer to DF as an expansion that expands the foundation. However, the fear is that the lack of communication and inaction resolving these easy wins indicates we are on a collision course for another BFA expansion on the horizon.

But in the end this is why feedback always matters. My feedback is that TBC normal flying should no longer be gated by PF because DR exists.

And hovering isn’t OP because if hover is OP then why does the WoW Rogue class exist with no time limit in stealth?

Thanks for reading my short story and may we circle the wagons and improve WoW to turn it to a page to a brighter future.

A future where player choice is respected once more.

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Please don’t give Blizzard ideas.

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Too late.

Keep in mind Vanish immunity was nerfed to 1.5 seconds because they view stealth as a problem already.

The genie is already out of the bottle.

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Not so fast this is just a short compendium of the communities feelings regarding two topics all in one.

Thanks for reading!

Cheers!

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I do wish they would change the toggle so you could have different mounts for different flight modes.
Thankfully im a monk so i have zen flight to cover very short distances, but for medium it was nice having regular flight always there and dr for long distances always there.

As for pathfinder, while im not pro having it, i also dont overly care.
Its pointless as it will be unlocked by day 2 tops. But, i can go 2 days with regular flight with no issues so, its kinda just nothing to me.

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Thank you for your feedback and it is deeply valued.

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Gating of TBC normal flying over 8 hours of game play when there is access to DR is not going to be supported by the majority of the players IMVHO. In fact most players are reasonable and see no reason to do the PF gate at this point as they like to use both TBC normal flying an DR.

And that brings us to the toggle switch of five seconds. It could have been 1, 2, 3, or 4 seconds but five seconds? Why choose that number? Is it to show that players shouldn’t be changing so often? if so how is that something that needed to be solved?

I am putting on my thinking cap tonight.

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It could have been instant and done while youre in the air mounted. But no…

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It’s to make it a pain in the neck for botters.

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Botters don’t really use TBC normal flying or DR unless they have to. They have been using fly hacks well before the existence of steady flying aka TBC normal flying.

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I think they should make it instant because PVP issues aside I do not see why they would make it five seconds. Why is it easier switching my talent load out than which flight mode I want to use for each mount? That has been bother me as I asked my guildmates the same question. What is the point?

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You don’t represent the community.

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Are people still really crying about the 5 second toggle??? You 10000000% spend more time afk doing nothing or jumping in circles around the main city hub. People are REALLY still crying about that. It is insane. I have a right to cry, Outlaw isnt even a spec anymore. But to cry about a toggle that… i can’t anymore, wtf and wth

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Well you do not either.

So what is your point?

Sticking to the thread topic gating Steady flying behind pathfinder punishes players that only use steady flying.

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I’m not claiming to. You are.

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So do you want to talk about this thread or just hurl personal attacks?

Well the reason why it is important to the topic of the thread is because players want to use both and they use both for long distances and then short questing intervals.

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Not really. It’s been done to death and nothing you have to say on the subject is going to matter.

Show me the personal attack.

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In your opinion but I disagree.

Not discussing the thread topic.

For some players yes but for others it is going to take a long longer than a few days. And the way the TWW questing experience is set up then it really doesn’t make sense because you will struggle to reach cap unless they make changes to XP numbers.

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Lol okay little doomer

(see? that’s a personal attack)

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