Aside from being in love with DW Frost ever since Cata ...
I have pages of cool 1h weapons that I change out often. I enjoy being able to mog around them and I cannot do this with any other spec. If they give the people that want it a glyph then good for them but as far as making frost a 2h spec again?
No. Absolutely not.
If you want to Wield a 2hander learn to love Unholy.
We are not "trolls". The ones trolling are the ones that think making thread after thread will get you somewhere.
If I were a developer I'd lean more towards NOT accommodating you somewhere around the 100th time this has been brought up.
Nobody forced you to click on these topics..
06/20/2018 11:28 AMPosted by RunefallenWe are not "trolls". The ones trolling are the ones that think making thread after thread will get you somewhere.
If I were a developer I'd lean more towards NOT accommodating you somewhere around the 100th time this has been brought up.
You seem like trolling rn
which wouldn't be a huge issue if it wasn't just recently enacted. That's, personally, my issue
It's more of a gray area then some people realize. Blizzard has been wishy washy with how they let melee use weapons across classes and in legion they standardized it across the board. The reality is simply that specs like Fury, frost, and BM/WW all enjoyed the luxury of of being able to choose what weapon setup they wanted to use if the player didn't just go for the mathematical best.
While I've never mained a rogue I do know that varying weapon setups took place over the years where they mix and matched weapon speeds and setups, but before legion they got pushed into more definitive weapon requirements per spec. Enhance specifically was left in the dust on this change since they got pushed more and more out of 2H while watching other melee specs get the option.
Other specs like arms, ret, blood, and unholy generally are never looked at twice for extra weapon choice but there's little reason to not include them if you're going to argue that specs should get to choose.
What happened in legion was blizzard bringing other classes in line with what they already had done with other classes. It obviously ruffled feathers and I'm sure certain class fantasies can be argued as missing now, but I sincerely believe that giving melee a direction of what the spec is about in regards to how they use weapons is the correct choice and that as new classes are added more class fantasies can be fulfilled for people.
For PVP, two handers supply more burst damage. Dual wield is about sustained. Healers sleep comfortably through sustained damage as a baby beneath its warm blanket while its mother sings it a lullaby. It doesn't pressure them. I'm not really down for arguing one way or the other right now, but don't pretend there isn't a marked difference betwixt the two when there is.06/20/2018 09:41 AMPosted by LiaxIt's like trying to argue you want this badass engine put in your car so you can go 0 to 60 in 2 seconds
There's nothing that stops Blizzard from making DW burstier than 2H or 2H more sustained than DW.
06/20/2018 05:25 PMPosted by DreadmooreFor PVP, two handers supply more burst damage. Dual wield is about sustained. Healers sleep comfortably through sustained damage as a baby beneath its warm blanket while its mother sings it a lullaby. It doesn't pressure them. I'm not really down for arguing one way or the other right now, but don't pretend there isn't a marked difference betwixt the two when there is.06/20/2018 09:41 AMPosted by LiaxIt's like trying to argue you want this badass engine put in your car so you can go 0 to 60 in 2 seconds
Is this post serious? FDK has insane burst right now and puts out stupid amounts of pressure. Not trying to bash you, but you do not have any notable PvP achievements. I just donât want you misleading people about how strong FDK has been
We're not saying Frost is bad.
But i remember in MoP Frost could deal more damage in the first 5 sec than what it can do RN. (talking about % not number) So yes in a way they are more "sustained" now, even if they have good burst now.
But i remember in MoP Frost could deal more damage in the first 5 sec than what it can do RN. (talking about % not number) So yes in a way they are more "sustained" now, even if they have good burst now.
06/20/2018 05:50 PMPosted by Tetraites06/20/2018 05:25 PMPosted by Dreadmoore... For PVP, two handers supply more burst damage. Dual wield is about sustained. Healers sleep comfortably through sustained damage as a baby beneath its warm blanket while its mother sings it a lullaby. It doesn't pressure them. I'm not really down for arguing one way or the other right now, but don't pretend there isn't a marked difference betwixt the two when there is.
Is this post serious? FDK has insane burst right now and puts out stupid amounts of pressure. Not trying to bash you, but you do not have any notable PvP achievements. I just donât want you misleading people about how strong FDK has been
https://i.imgur.com/H6tgQMC.jpg
As you can see, my damage is high. I have high kills. Those kills were only achieved whence healers were not available.
06/20/2018 06:16 PMPosted by Dreadmoore06/20/2018 05:50 PMPosted by Tetraites...
Is this post serious? FDK has insane burst right now and puts out stupid amounts of pressure. Not trying to bash you, but you do not have any notable PvP achievements. I just donât want you misleading people about how strong FDK has been
https://i.imgur.com/H6tgQMC.jpg
As you can see, my damage is high. I have high kills. Those kills were only achieved whence healers were not available.
One battleground screenshot =/= notable PvP achievements.
06/20/2018 06:19 PMPosted by Manarri<span class="truncated">...</span>
https://i.imgur.com/H6tgQMC.jpg
As you can see, my damage is high. I have high kills. Those kills were only achieved whence healers were not available.
One battleground screenshot =/= notable PvP achievements.
notable pvp achievements =/= defining characteristic of being good at pvp.
As you can see, I perform well. I have provided evidence.
I just hate team exercises. Waiting for everyone to get their stock in gear. Waiting for everyone to get ready. People crying and quitting when they lose. It's a monumental waste of time, so I largely don't bother with ranked exercises. Hell, I barely bother with normal BGs this expansion.
But by all means, continue to attack my character as if it proves your point (it doesn't.)
06/20/2018 06:24 PMPosted by Dreadmoorenotable pvp achievements =/= defining characteristic of being good at pvp.
Yes, they do. That's literally what those achievements show. You sure you aren't disagreeing with me just on principle?
06/20/2018 06:24 PMPosted by DreadmooreAs you can see, I perform well. I have provided evidence.
Evidence of one time. That's nothing to a PvP season. It's like showing one log where you crit 50% of the time, because you just got lucky when you rating is actually 20%. This is why we run logs with thousands of iterations, and not just once. One iteration is not inherently indicative of the norm.
06/20/2018 06:24 PMPosted by DreadmooreHell, I barely bother with normal BGs this expansion.
So you self admit to not really having much experience this expansion.
06/20/2018 06:24 PMPosted by DreadmooreBut by all means, continue to attack my character as if it proves your point (it doesn't.)
I didn't attack you character. I attacked your argument that one iteration is not quality evidence to you claim of "notable PvP." Stop lying.
06/20/2018 11:28 AMPosted by RunefallenAside from being in love with DW Frost ever since Cata ...
I have pages of cool 1h weapons that I change out often. I enjoy being able to mog around them and I cannot do this with any other spec. If they give the people that want it a glyph then good for them but as far as making frost a 2h spec again?
No. Absolutely not.
If you want to Wield a 2hander learn to love Unholy.
We are not "trolls". The ones trolling are the ones that think making thread after thread will get you somewhere.
If I were a developer I'd lean more towards NOT accommodating you somewhere around the 100th time this has been brought up.
I enjoyed my pages of 2 handed weapons that i got to mog around, If you want to wield a 1 hander learn to love rogue!!!!
We are not the trolls, The ones trolling are the ones that think making thread after thread for classic servers will get you somewhere.
If I were a developer i'd lean more towards NOT allowing duel wield to continue its existance with clear evidence theres a decent chunk of players that prefer 2 handers
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One battleground screenshot =/= notable PvP achievements.
notable pvp achievements =/= defining characteristic of being good at pvp.
As you can see, I perform well. I have provided evidence.
I just hate team exercises. Waiting for everyone to get their stock in gear. Waiting for everyone to get ready. People crying and quitting when they lose. It's a monumental waste of time, so I largely don't bother with ranked exercises. Hell, I barely bother with normal BGs this expansion.
But by all means, continue to attack my character as if it proves your point (it doesn't.)
Its okay dude, Manarri doesnt really play the game a lot either, He's hard stuck 7/11 mythic anxiously waiting to vastly out gear the content to get a full clear and never reached even 1550 in arenas, He likes to just wake up to go on DK forums to find 2h posts to complain and reeeee in so he can keep his toothpicks as weapons
06/20/2018 07:01 PMPosted by VaeloridIts okay dude, Manarri doesnt really play the game a lot either, He's hard stuck 7/11 mythic anxiously waiting to vastly out gear the content to get a full clear
Man, you know more about me than I do. I thought I was just taking time off for work because my profession has seasonal upswings, all while my guild still makes progress.
06/20/2018 07:01 PMPosted by Vaeloridand never reached even 1550 in arenas
It's a good thing I don't claim to be good in PvP or arenas. Notably because I haven't set foot in more than maybe a dozen of them since Wrath, and never played them competitively.
06/20/2018 07:01 PMPosted by VaeloridHe likes to just wake up to go on DK forums to find 2h posts to complain and reeeee in so he can keep his toothpicks as weapons
Yeah, the actual arguments that you can't answer don't matter. Being a salty !@#$% is just way better than using your brain. That character attacking BS that Dreadmoore was just complaining about. You're doing that thing.
Can we stop talking !@#$ about each others and focus 2h FDK?
Skill are irrelevant here.
Skill are irrelevant here.
Yes, they do.No, they don't. You can be good at PVP and not do ranked PVP.
My argument is that two handed weapon damage performs more burst than one handed. Your argument is that "You're bad at PVP because you don't have achievements."06/20/2018 06:54 PMPosted by ManarriI didn't attack you character.
You didn't attack my argument, you attacked me.
The whole pvp discussion is stupid. I'm pretty sure I've heard how dangerous frost has been in pvp as of late which is all that matters.
Dread can be as good or as bad as he wants or thinks he is because opinions on spec performance is largely irrelevant. The community as a whole understands how a spec is doing even if there is someone who thinks it's fine when it's not or great when it isn't.
And on that note I'll say it again, while I don't pvp anymore I do know I've heard lots of talk about how strong frost DKs have been as of late, especially after the bfa changes went live I saw a thread crying about how the new hero class was frost DKs because they didn't need the buffs for pvp.
I'll also reiterate that 2H or DW had absolutely ZERO to do with how bursty or sustained a spec can be. You're just stupid if you think it plays any factual role in it.
Anyways...2H frost. Not happening. Anyone want popcorn?
Dread can be as good or as bad as he wants or thinks he is because opinions on spec performance is largely irrelevant. The community as a whole understands how a spec is doing even if there is someone who thinks it's fine when it's not or great when it isn't.
And on that note I'll say it again, while I don't pvp anymore I do know I've heard lots of talk about how strong frost DKs have been as of late, especially after the bfa changes went live I saw a thread crying about how the new hero class was frost DKs because they didn't need the buffs for pvp.
I'll also reiterate that 2H or DW had absolutely ZERO to do with how bursty or sustained a spec can be. You're just stupid if you think it plays any factual role in it.
Anyways...2H frost. Not happening. Anyone want popcorn?
06/20/2018 07:18 PMPosted by DreadmooreMy argument is that two handed weapon damage performs more burst than one handed. Your argument is that "You're bad at PVP because you don't have achievements."
You didn't attack my argument, you attacked me.
You're more off your rocker than usual. The actual dialogue is literally on this page, and you're still trying to rewrite it like you're a poor little victim who got attacked, rather than you just got corrected because you put out misleading information again, and then got corrected a second time because you don't know what qualifies as actual evidence, and not just anecdotal.
06/17/2018 11:10 PMPosted by GurthängWell that happened with classic and we are finally getting it.
Yeah and they will also learn not to listen anymore when classic fail miserably.
Only ppl that never played classic actualy thinks it was better than what we have today.
lol god r u ever wrong