I picked Venthyr for [Door of Shadows] & thematically I just liked it. I should have taken Necrolord for the AOE boost but I just hate the area. I don’t even do the WQ’s there.
“How wrong am I okay with being?” isn’t the kind of meaningful choice covenants were billed as and trying to pretend it was isn’t a good look.
At this point, with what we know now, de-coupling power from covenants like it should have been from the beginning is looking like a pretty good option. And seeing whether or not Blizzard chooses to die on this hill will be fairly telling for me.
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You must be pretty horrible at searching for things:
https://discord.com/invite/acherus
I did as well for a loooong time, and seeing people put garbage tires or oil on/in high end cars made me die a little bit inside every time.
Like, yeah, I’ll put this in your car because you told me to and it’s your car, but know that I have to go into the back and cry every time I do.
Yeah, we all knew that most people will do whatever icyveins tells them to.
The point is that, since different covenants are better for different circumstances, the players that do pick a covenant based on what they like won’t be harshly punished. More importantly, they won’t be called on to switch covenants to suit the encounter or enemy arena comp like talents.
Good system. May just need some re-tuning here and there.
That would be nice.
I liked all of them except Night Fae who I hated.
Guess which one I picked to not gimp myself?
Again, that data literally only shows the overlap. I know, not everyone can be engineers or scientists but, correlation does not mean causation.
Jumping to the conclusion that the discrepancy is caused by the power difference is easy and lazy. That’s why people do it.
All the data says is, “people are distributed among covenants like this”. You can make an assertion as to why you think the distribution is such. But to claim the data supports your assertion is fundamentally wrong because there is no “why” parameter of the data.
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If you see me, pretend like I’m not there.
Lord knows I am.
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I honestly think people are better at choosing what’s good for their spec than we think. For Affliction Warlocks - all the guides, videos, etc right before the expansion were telling us we need to go Venthyr for PvP and Kyrian for PvE. I personally was already heavily leaning Night Fae, guides be damned. Lo and behold, once people got to actually try out each ability for themselves while leveling - Night Fae is now the covenant for 57% of all Afflocks.
Anecdotal evidence aside, my point is I highly doubt people simply followed whatever guides told them to do. It was more about their knowledge of their own spec and its strengths and weaknesses, their own experiences with each ability, and what they actually liked. The guides had a role, but it wasn’t the only thing.
Whether Blizz properly balanced each Covenant for all the specs is another story entirely though.
Except it’s not just numbers that are the issue. Utility is a big reason why X is better than Y and nothing about changing the numbers can fix this.
It’s why Venthyr Rogue is hot garage. A haste buff seems great but actually using the skill to get it is terrible. Kyrian Rogue is the PvP choice since burst>sustain of Night Fae which is an all around better PvE choice especially in M+.
They can’t balance the utility and the tradeoffs of being good for one aspect of the game and bad for another is terrible design. In my case my covenant is just bad for everything. It Sucks.
I should of known the more sensible takes on covenants come from fellow Canadians.
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I just explained why. You’re ignoring it. My class is proof of that.
Go to discord, open the thing to look for public channels, and type “death knight” into search. Some Russian discord comes back.
Try WoW or ‘world of warcraft’ and you get some large channels, not of them for death knights.
I picked Night Fae do to the look and color of the skills since they fit my arcane mage the best also like the armor the best
They can nerf it all they want i wont change it - even tho i don’t think it’s all the op for arcane to begin with
Funny thing this…
Now that people here showed me this mythical DK Discord that doesn’t come back when you search actual discord for it…
I looked for what they recommend to pick for a covenant.
They tell people to follow Wowhead’s guide in their Blood DK channel. If you go to their bot channel and ask for guides, they give you the guides to Wowhead and icy-veins.
Both of of those guides say pick A… most Blood DKs picked B.
Ergo: OP is just wrong. Players didn’t blindly follow guides.
Here is what the DK Discord itself says:
Covenant
Go on the wowhead guide to get some info on all four covenants, or spin the wheel if you’re still not decided. Right now, the delta between them is small.In practice, I would recommend slightly against choosing night fae due to the severe rotational overhead for what is effectively no gain compared to three other mostly fire-and-forget options.
You offered me an assumption as to the cause of the discrepancy. I responded with, you’re making an assumption, then explained what the data actually says. You literally do not have enough information to claim your assumption as fact.
I sure hope you’re planning to push the toughest content, because if not, you’re torturing yourself for no reason.
Ok? That doesn’t change what I said.
I do actually
Feel free to examine and argue against any observation and information from these for every single class and spec. I’ll wait for you final report on why every single one of these is wrong.
I’m planning on pushing the toughest content that I’m capable of.
I’ll take any advantage I can to further that goal.
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Holy hell man, what part of “correlation is not causation” do you not get?
You don’t, because you are literally taking two correlated things:
“covenant pick rate” and “wow head best covenant”,
then saying since these two things are correlated, they must have a cause/effect relation.
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