Please let us keep Tul’amar around.
I want her and Hatuun to meet and be a nice contrast to Velen (he’s also great of course).
What are the odds that we can have the Nethersent as our anti-Lightbound with Sayaad and other characters to take on the inevitable Yrel return?
-if Blizz hasn’t decided to drop her story
More “bad is good and good is bad” imagery?
No thanks.
I don’t mind Tul’amar, though, definitely keep her around.
I think what I liked most about Tul’amar is that she wasn’t a bitter Betty like our boy “You guys go, I’ll hold’em off!” Hatuun. Sorry, you don’t get to do the big noble sacrifice and hold a grudge. It’s one or the other, and we all just watched the cut scene before we met you, pal.
Once her brother was like “sis don’t keep the light no more” I was braced for Hatuun2. But she was pleasent and frankly understanding of the situation that lead to her and her people being marooned by the Genedar.
Good character. Would call kin again.
I like the tul’amar, a society that rejects all outside forces does sound interesting.
Welcome to the Tul’amar fanclub, we have cookies.
They are draenei that have Artificers and Soulbinders which are the 2 best parts of draenei culture while not fussing much about the Light which really overtakes the more unique parts of the regular draenei and especially the Lightforged draenei.
I like the Nethersent idea in concept but the Naaru of the Genedar had pretty earnestly never actually done anything bad to the Draenei. So her skepticism of them…
Also it’s weird to be like ‘we don’t use any of the 3 powers that lead to our exile’ when it’s debatable that Arcane and Fel were the ones to actually cause it, because Fel attracts attention from the Nether and their arcane global empire undoubtedly attracted the attention of Sargeras, just like the night elves arcane magic did, which was why they paralleled one another.
It is a lot of awesome concepts. But this specific framing is really weird within the established lore of the regular Draenei.
Auchenai use holy magic. Soulbinders and Soul Priests have always been light wielders. They are not an opposition part of their lore to light magic, they’re a facet of it.
Like full stop, they are not anti holy, they’re part of it. Their spirit magic is a result of D’ore. Soulbinders = light wielders. I actually don’t know how you’d get an impression otherwise, it’s like all over their wiki and all in their quests and demonstrations of power.
Also even their technology may in some ways be connected to the Naaru or given to them as insights from them, because the Naaru use the same arcane based technology for all their dimensional fortresses.
The only facet of Draenei life they aren’t in some way linked to is just pure regular mages and the Broken’s shamanism.
Nethersent could make for a neat Allied Race concept assuming Blizzard bothered to tweak the models rather than just take what exists and slap stuff on them.
Give body type 2 a bit more meat, slim down body type 1, for example. They live alongside Sayaad, so, maybe throw in some wings as options, that’d be pretty cool.
The fact that they don’t discriminate against demons and that they’ve never met any of the Horde would make it easy for them to be added as a neutral Allied Race as well, and Horde would get the Draenei model. I know there have been some Horde players who’ve wanted that for a long time and were a bit miffed that Eredar were boiled down to expanded customization to Draenei, rather than made a proper Allied Race.
Don’t care, I’m in.
Random question:
If fel-infused Man’ari have children would their child be red (or fel-cracked) like their parents?
We know that Orcs are green but some of the new generation look Mag’har and the playable Orcs were never as demonic as the Man’ari Draenei genetically.
Then we also have the other route with the non-furry Worgen babies that somehow are not Worgen through the blood curse.
This is a lot of incorrect.
The Soulbinders date back to Argus, before the draenei were saved by the naaru and the Light became a cultural cornerstone of their race. For whatever reason, the eredar and later the draenei decided it was best to keep the souls of their dead out of the Shadowlands.
The draenei did incorporate the Auchenai into their religion as a foundational part(they were previously part of Archimonde’s mage school). If you have ever played WoD or have done the draenei heritage quest you can quite clearly see that they are not using Light magic when fighting off the demons in WoD or when binding souls to Vigilants in the heritage quest. Whether it’s meant to be shadow/void magic or death magic isn’t entirely clear due to the Chronicles splitting Death and Shadow into entirely separate domains.
The caretaking of D’ore did fall to the Auchenai, but that is not what created the Soulbinders. As stated above it was a practice that originated with the eredar on Argus long before meeting naaru. Likewise, the Nethersent who were long abandoned by the time D’ore fell to shadow also practice Soulbinding and we see them putting the souls of their fallen friends into a Vigilant for transportation back to their home mausoleum. The practice was also revived after its near destruction during the draenei genocide and continues today with D’ore having been restored to the Light.
As for the technology, what the draenei have now is based largely on the technology they had on Argus when they were still eredar. Hataaru even comments that what they had on Draenor was mere spare parts compared to what the eredar had on Argus. All this is before ever coming into contact with naaru ships. They also chose to grow their own arcane crystals, Arkonite, to build their technology rather than salvage things from the crashed Genedar.
You are correct that Spiritbinding as a magic in Eredar history does pre-date D’ores crash.
The Auchenai’s version of it, however, is light based. It is known that the rituals they use even for stuff like the Vigilants is holy ritual. Every description of them outside of when the Auchenai fell to madness is that they are holy light wielders doing the spirit magic through the light. It’s not the only way to do it, like the one dude who put his soul in the construct on Argus, but the Draenei do it via holy magic.
It is implied by chronicles 2, because Velen had Maladaar (who was a Sha’tar at the time) and a sha’tar group make Auchindouin, that this made the Auchenai. Nothing indicates it just joined into and took over an existing order. It would be weird for Maladaar to take over an existing order for this purpose if they weren’t pioneering the craft. Even if they did, it is undeniable that their spirit based magic has largely been holy since it’s first conception. The first Auchenai character we ever saw in Beyond the Dark portal was an explicit light user, their ghosts are light based and their order described as holy and full on anchorites in WoD. The Draenei Exile take on spirit magic is done through the holy light.
Edit: I will fully admit, Argus did make this kind of confusing lmao. Because Vigilants did exist on Argus. But every description of them post Argus except for the Netherssent, and ever description of what auchenai magic is, leans on them being holy based rather than the arcane magic of the Wakeners.
At the very least, it’s a bit inaccurate to say their most interesting things like the spirit magic aren’t related to the Light. Because it seems like, for most of the settings history, it has been.
It communicated to Velen through an ata’mal crystal that the eredar held sacred for centuries, as their mysterious appearances long ago is what allowed the eredar to make such sweeping strides in the areas of magic, science, and technology from their telepathically given knowledge.
What they had on Argus, according to K’ure, is was a result of their own influence through the ata’mal crystals.
Edit Edit: I kept misplacing stuff in quotes and having to move it lmao i feel like an old man.
As a Blood Elf who doesn’t speak Draenei I have no clue what you’re on about, but I did give her a /hug before leaving the cave and she emoted back!
We literally see the draenei doing it during their heritage quest and it sure as hell doesn’t look like holy magic. We seen them defending Auchindoun against demons in WoD and they sure aren’t using holy magic there. They even gave the ones in WoD custom spell names and animations like Soul Split and Spirit Wave, so it was definitely an intentional design decision.
They can use holy magic, because they are priests, but the actual Soulbinding and Soul magic they’re using definitely isn’t. It looks like shadow/void magic and Tuulani the Soulbinder garrison companion in WoD is a shadow priest.
The Auchenai self describe their powers as light given and most of their npcs are still shown using holy magic. There is no reason to assume it’s not light based and doubt their own words on this. Even the Auchenai vigilants use holy magic.
We can literally see the magic they are using in game. It’s not yellow Light and it’s not the blue Light draenei are meant to have either. It’s purple shadow/void magic.
You know what is yellow though? The ancestral spirits of the Draenei in Yrel’s trial of faith in Auchindouin.
It is holy magic. They say it, stuff made by it is using holy magic and manifesting as holy, and holy magic doesn’t even have a set requirement to only be yellow anyways. They even confirm in this xpac the holy magic moon priestesses use is still ultimately the Light, it’s just not yellow.
The Naaru themselves are a myriad of colors. Their holy symbols in the Gift of the Naaru, an imbuement of light in all Draenei, is blue and purple. Color theory related to magic is inconsistent, but they absolutely do show them using holy spells with yellow animations. And when they don’t, you can just as easily point to other examples.
They describe it as Holy magic, light granted abilities.
https:// wow.zamimg. com/uploads/screenshots/normal/1169105-an-old-wound.jpg
BEHOLD! Holy magic!
Epic.
Now go look on page 93 of your copy of Warcraft Chronicles II and see it explicitly call the powers of the Auchenai light-given. I just did to verify the excerpt of it is correct on the Auchenai’s wiki page and it is verbatim.