Not sure about this one, A LOT of people left and keep leaving…
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It is something to do when there is nothing to do that is something to do.
Good affordable entertainment, even in this uninspired state.
I know people who quit and bash the game on twitter, so you’re wrong.
no one knows but blizzard
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Well that’s because I just won’t do the content I don’t like, so they can keep making it for me not to do it it’s not my time and resources being wasted 
I would think that making a stellar game that an abundant amount of people are playing and talking about would make the shareholders happier with their investment. I’m no stocks or business expert but I would think that a team of devs causing the game to decline would upset the shareholders quite a bit.
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Your entire post is spot on.
The real reason things wont change is 1 million customers paying $2000 a year each is better for their server energy costs than 10 million customers paying $200 a year. Also, the developers all have a second job selling carries for content they designed, so there’s a corporate and personal financial motive to maintain status quo. When the great collapse comes, they’ll just put this in maintenance mode and make a Raid: Shadow Legends clone to replace it. There is no downside.
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I think i have said this before, but blizzard developer’s can do whatever they want with the game. I feel i am having PTSD from the cataclysm expansion, so please indulge me for a moment.
As i have been watching old warcraft videos, one i just watched was pandaria rage from wowcrendor. I mean, i will never forget how much people hated that expansion. And that was before it was even released. This community will complain about everything, and, quite frankly, i think the developer’s are just tired of trying to make everyone happy.
Cataclysm was one of the last time any forum activity was actually going on between the CM’s and the playerbase. Cataclysm, like pandaria, tried to do something different with the revamp, and added some really awesome/difficult 5 man heroics. At the time, there was a huge outcry about how difficult the 5 man heroics were. I disagreed. I truly felt like they just required you to use your brainstem and sheep mobs every so often. This was also before the major microtransactions were implemented, the pay to win ones like level boosts and wow tokens. But a ton of people threatened to quit, and hurt blizzard’s bottom dollar if they did not make heroics easier. Eventually, blizzard did give in to this, but the truth is, when debating wow nowadays, it really isn’t a mmorpg anymore. Manually leveling up your characters was the last major RPG element left in the game anymore at this time. On top of having to buy skills from class trainers, among other things.
But cataclysm was the end of an era. The era of the hardcores. In this day in age for world of warcraft, blizzard makes more money off the microtransactions alone than the subscriptions. So threatening to cancel subs, will not change anyones mind anymore. At the same time, i honestly do not feel like the world of warcraft playerbase really knows what it wants anymore. I feel like i see a ton of non objective based posts constantly as well.
Alot has changed since even the cataclysm days now. But with the microtransactions doing most of the work, blizzard will do what they want. I can only imagine being in a developer’s shoes. Like what were the people going to do if they did not pull the rip cord. Send ion to his room? Not give him money anymore. I think people need to think twice when you are gambling decisions with other people using your money as a bargain to get the developer’s to give in to your demands.
Blizzard has had a bunch of different changes to this game that have caused people to quit in droves. As someone who has been playing for years, i will list off a few. I remember the xpon/off experience in pvp change and seperation of pvp brackets between expon/off. That caused people to quit. The cataclysm revamp itself and the 5 man heroics being to hard causing players to quit. The initial reactions to pandaria i remember peole quitting.
I mean, those are just a few of the ones i remember in the times i have been playing. We even had a major scandal within blizzard recently that caused alot of people to quit also. My favorite was a forum thread i read, easily one of the dumbest posts i think i have seen from this community, about a bunch of people who had canceled their subs, stating they had renewed their subs to support the honest and good wholesome people who work at blizzard. They did not want to screw them over. I mean, come on man. When you say you are going to quit over a sexual harrassment scandal, and then come back. You are legit falling into the negative reinforcement trap.
I think alot of people who play this game, need to smarten up. I think blizzard has gotten really tired of trying to placate to every single players individual little want and annoyance that they have with world of warcraft. It is to hard blizzard. Omg, we hate the rip cord. We need it pulled. Like i swear some people on these forums spend more time complaining and telling the developer’s how much they suck than actually playing and progressing in the game.
Like if i was a developer. And someone told me that they wanted me to pull the rip cord. Or that the game was to hard. I would legit tell them that that is to bad. And that life isn’t fair. I don’t like every change ever made to this game either. But no matter how much you assault the developer’s saying that the mage towers are to hard, that is not going to get them to listen to you or get them to change anything.
I honestly feel like the pay to win microtransactions were added to kind of circumvent the developer’s around the other people who constantly cry all the time. Because now, no matter how low the sub numbers are, they can still make triple that with the microtransactions. I mean, the bad apples are spoiling it for the players who don’t complain about everything all the time.
The developer’s are the same people who were once players in everquest. Complaining about how bad that game sucked. So they made world of warcraft. I think alot of players who say that the developer’s are clueless with world of warcraft need to do the same. Create some game and use the technology available to them in the current age to really put wow out of business. But i honestly do not feel like the intelligence exists for this to actually happen. I mean, think about it. They litteraly told the developers of everquest that if they did not pull there thumbs out of their butts and make the game better, they were leaving and moving forward, and funding and creating a way better mmo. And they put their money where there mouthes were and made wow. I think a group of players in this game should do the same. A game with pulled rip cords and all that that has like triple the amount of subs wow had even in the infancy of wow. I challenge people to actually do this for the people who just hate wow that much.
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Reason none of it will change is because they have gotten to use to gaslighting everyone making them think its not on them but the player so they continue creating multitude of difficulty settings pampering a small percentage of the playerbase thats where all the time and effort ends up going. Quite honestly none of it matters what anyone says tho they will continue to make there game toxic and in the developers imagine even with how bad it ends up the only solution is move on or fire the devs as bad as it sounds and get people who know what they are doing with content creating I’m sure there people in the same boat who have played World of Warcraft for over a decade and have seen the same exact stagnation that continues right down to game systems they get rid of mid expansion shows the lack of game testing or quality assurance cant even post bug reports anymore in the game gives you a generic response basically saying they don’t care. I see why there was a mass exodus and even developers leaving the company as a whole over the mess they caused they did all this thereself all over shortsighted short term goals ive never seen a game changed so much in a very short period of time and its happened for years now no game needs to change even down to player specs as much as wow has it doesnt even feel like the same game anymore as much as they wanna say it was nostalgia ya thats why everyone leaves because theres zero middle ground between players and the content creators turned into distrust over the years people pay for a service i dont pay to feel like im in a game on a game timer or a arbitrary number or feel like wow is a job. Im sure people will post on alt accounts or try to twist it but no game has recieved so much back lash over these reoccurring issues like game development yah you cant please everyone but the content you create is the prime reason for the toxicity you make the game even during testing roll out ive seen videos of backlash and gaslighting from Ion and Allan j Brak ive seen several devs leave including the original creators like metzen and human resources who supposily shredded documentation or move there local headquarters to Texas like any person in texas would tolerate this want cheaper labor laws or something what a laugh like a cube crawl or named his office the cosby suite and now they want to post workers rights after they got woman backlash on some of there ongoing issues these problems are a few reason for the ongoing issues with this game and im surprised after all that none from the board of directory got fired for this they allow this type of behavior and expect everyone to remain silent which blizzard does very well i might add well i for one will post my thoughts considering a game ive played for over a decade has gotten totally gutted ruined and the people in charge of it cant even trust anymore so keep milking your bottom line / short term goals pretty sure most have caught on your not for the customer best intentions as for the people who want to white knight and defend blizzards actions. Flame me go for it im entitled to my opinion just like anyone else bring me the evidence to your insults if you do tho because everything that has happened to world of warcraft as a whole isnt for the better they would rather insult people on twitter then fix there game or have lawsuits then have reduced pay wages as some form of condolences for the victims of the lawsuit like your doing them a favor when in reality you get your nice fat bonuses every year yah like people have said for years clean up your act your the ones in the wrong here ya my post might make little meaning to anyone or developers but its something to remember this company by in the end of all of it after fifteen years the old developers of wow did much better then the direction this game has came too. Keep making rewashed content and despising everyone who brought this company where they are today for all this its the billions of dollars every year you made from loyal customers to alienate them pretty despicable.
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Not sure if that speaks to the majority of subscribers who have quit.
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Have you tried breaking this post up so that it’s somewhat readable?
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I feel like in general, wow has changed. And cataclysm was the last chance at actually being hardcore.
The game has changed in alot of ways. Some people have quit because they do not like the changes, or whatever the major case is this week that caused people to quit. Other people are quitting because world of warcraft is getting repetitive and old.
Others are probably going to be here no matter what happens. I mean, i am not a fan of alot of the changes made over the years either, and i have a hard time dealing with change, but it is what it is. I mean, you either appreciate what you can and offer constructive feedback and suggestions, or you just swear off the game and the company forever and quit forever. Or you say you are quitting and then come back at a later time. Or you just say you are going to quit and never actually quit.
Small observation: XP On/Off on BGs was done because people said that they wanted to do twink PvP instead of just crushing new players on leveling BGs.
They were, of course, lying, as ganker filth does. So good riddance.
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I mean you can get a decent grasp, depending on your realm.
Is it dead? or not?
I’m not playing so I couldn’t tell you. 
I’d play Cata 70s again in a heartbeat
Rumors. That is all that statement is.
Because World of Warcraft has a monopoly over the MMO genre. Even FFXIV is already losing subs faster than WoW is currently. WoW will end up killing FFXIV as well. With no competition Blizzard can do whatever they want with the company.
although i agree with you i also disagree with you in the sense that customers do get tired of the same ole bs especially if it’s not up to par per their expectations.
it’s really no different then any other business. i work in the food industry as a cook it’s the same issue. why come to us if our food sucks why not go else where that is cheaper for same quality if not better or hell cook your own food at home which is cheaper OR spend slightly more for better food. that is the reality of our industry and yes i have worked for some companies that i felt had the mentality you suggested. what happened to them? barely holding on today if not already sold out due to massive debt.
i think the major issue is that people have built many memories via spending so much time playing this game that yea it is hard for them to let go. it eventually gets easier especially when all your friends quit and some for good.
eventually there is a time we must all let go but that is 100% up to the individual to decide. i already have decided when my time will be and the next expac makes that decision for me. what the devs plan to do with the next expac decides if i stay or leave for good. it’s not that i hate the game or anything just the lack of communication and the fact that i feel like the devs don’t seem to care about making quality product rather then pocketing fast cash instead.
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I’m not saying anything else, am I?
Anyone on their realm can get a grasp on whether or not that’s even partly true.