Toxicity in this game is making me want to quit

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people are going around asking “whats your macros whats your addons whats your talents” then copy paste everything, not even bothering to think why something works as it does or how it’s set up then proceed to perform like absolute garbage because they don’t BOTHER to make an effort to take 1 hour to learn the class they are playing and then WHINE

just the entitled 2023 attitude

dragging down your team because you can’t be assed to make an effort is more toxic than the people calling you out for it imo

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That’s a good way to simply kill the game at this point. WoW is merit based and performance oriented.

If you can’t criticize someone’s performance, the game will quickly devolve into just a casual space where encounters are trivialized to account for it.

That uses meters, and measures performance when they run their hard content and will remove you for underperforming.

That other game ?

This thread isn’t about LFR though.

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It would be horrible if that would be the case and Wow became popular again.

I’ve never understood why the logic of gamedesign was completely reversed in wow. In all other games, if you want to play competitively, you have to find a guild, a group of people with the same mindset. Guildless content are the realm of casuals.

But in wow, what struck me right away was that even in dungeon leveling I was expected to know all the mechanics already.

And what I find funny about wow is that very nice people exist. They’re really everywhere. But all of them, to say a kind word to me, to advise me, or encourage me, all of them, just go through the whisper. And every time I think “That’s nice, but he could tell everyone, DarkHunterRoxor is also struggling on this boss”.

I am a complete WoW virgin. I’m discovering the universe, the gameplay and so on. But I really feel like there’s a minority who are holding the rest of the community hostage, who are doing a lot of damage to the overall atmosphere of the game and Blizzard is doing nothing.

I absolutely do not understand how people can insult all the other players in a raid and then leave. This is the type of player that should be banned for at least a week.

Even your behaviour, Raiimir, I don’t understand how you can continue to post in this thread, criticise the op on how he plays and not be bothered at all. Before I played WoW I used to read the forums, your posts were typically what made me not want to play at all. Apart from giving bad publicity to outside players, I don’t understand how Blizzard can let this go.
And it cannot be said that there is no solution. Many games have tried many techniques to improve the general atmosphere. And in my opinion, this is the most serious problem of WoW, along with the lack of content for average players.

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WoW would simply die off.

The only thing propping it at the moment is M+, one of the areas where challenge is indeed required.

Most people who don’t step up to challenging content just end up being 1st month subscribers when a patch hits, the game can’t live without people staying subbed the whole time.

You can easily pick up the mechanics as you go. Leveling dungeons are not hard nor do they have any strange requirements.

Yet you’re on the forums and making claims that removing competitive content would make the game be more popular.

Sounds to me like you’re just an opinionated casual who’s afraid his own performance isn’t up to par.

OP wants to step foot up in big boy content, OP should expect to perform better than less geared people and actually pull his own weight.

Let me quote my friend from your “Other game” here :

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That FF thread is so good lmao.

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Final fantasy players kick under performers just as quickly. The bar is just lower there.

I could never grasp the mondset of being a burden on others then being offended when they dont want to deal with you.

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I have never seen this behaviour. In wow though, I got kicked because I was watching a cinematic. Several times, in different groups.
I got kicked another time because the tank had aggroed a whole group, and I was moving to kill them, but the group was already in front of the boss.
I saw a guy get kicked for “AFK” in a raid, even though he told everyone he was going to pee.

Last week, in a raid, a guy insulted another guy for getting loot and he thought it was unfair because he thought he sucked.

All this behaviour is not normal. Period. It’s not even up for discussion. I played ESO for a long time, FF14 for a long time, and I’ve never had so many examples to tell.
The fact that in the WoW microcosm it’s seen as “normal” or even “healthy” is mind-boggling.

And I say all this, sincerely thinking that I am lucky. Reading reddit, I have the impression that the EU servers are more friendly. Or at least that my server gets away with a rather good atmosphere.

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I have no idea what normal behaviour is to you and I rather not… it sounds tedious.

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Was he peeing in a pee bottle at his computer ?

Because otherwise, I’d say getting up and going to another room in your house is literally being Away From Keyboard.

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People actually do that? They actually get up from the keyboard to pee?? I just use an empty Gatorade bottle like an Amazon employee. If it’s good enough for Jeff Bezos its good enough for me.

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This game has been toxic since day 1.

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I know we’ve been going back and forth alot and I thought we agreed that the council fight I severely underperformed. But you make it sound that I was dead weight through the whole heroic raid. The issue I’m having is how instead of constructive criticism, it was a kick from the raid followed up by messages received in say and whisper calling me bad. Like I’ve said many times, I’m all for improving and taking advice from others, how it’s done though is what is important.

I would go as far as say that my interaction with you was more positive then the interaction I had in that raid. That’s how bad it was. You made some suggestions, I tried them out, my latest parses show the improvement.

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I don’t disagree with you that the hostility in this game needs to be toned down, but to BE FAIR (at least in my experience) out of every 20 people I run into and interact with maybe 1 of them isn’t super duper nice and 1 out of about 40 are straight up angry man-children.

The problem is those people stick out way more than the nice ones, and their abusive behavior shouldn’t be as tolerated by Blizzard as it is. But I hear they are making radical changes to that soon :slight_smile:

This is retail btw. Classic was a cesspool. A complete lost cause. Never go there. It’s full of super hateful has-beens that are trying to desperately re-live the glory days of their lives rofl

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I’m a firm believer that everyone needs space to learn. And this game doesn’t give a huge amount of “space.”

So many feel up against a timer or like they have to complete x content in y amount of time “or else.”

I literally just posted my woes about pug tanking m+, so I may be a bit of a hypocrite but give yourself space if no one else will. And certainly don’t expect validation from the regulars on the general discussion. There lies the path to perdition.

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All the more reason to finally get around to fixing it.

As I’ve said in other threads, I wouldn’t mind partying with AI if it was a full system where I could collect, level and gear up followers (sort of like the WoD mission table system), then hand pick which ones I want with me in any given dungeon . That would be fun.

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I think the game gives players plenty of space to learn, it’s just being constricted by elitists.

Again, nobody here is wrong for being particular and selective about who you’re taking with you in high keys. The problem is that people are like this from the start in difficulties where learning should be expected.

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That is not gating you, people aren’t obliged to carry you, they have their own free will.

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Won’t happen
One thing blizzard should do is hive out bans to toxic players and harassment
That requires hiring in game GM which we know will never happen.

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You can start your own group then.

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well when you got arrogate people saying its a you problem , or has to be the player problem because i don’t have a problem then that is exactly why there is a freaking problem with this game in the first place. But that’s okay, looking the other way has only caused nothing but major player decline.