You also said this when asked what your interpretation of toxic was.
So you are basically giving us the old “I don’t know what it is, but I know it when I see it” bit?
You did. And it was as painfully obvious then as it is now. Yet you present yourself as an expert in your ability to identify it and also your ability to know which people CAN’T identify it.
Are you familiar with the word hubris?
Let’s use the word hubris here.
Hubris has a definition. That is objective in nature. (hopefully you know what that means).
Whether or not a person uses it, is subjective.
You can call it hubris on my part and that’s your prerogative. Note that I don’t have to freaking care about you or what you think, that’s the subjective part of it all.
So again to circle back for those that can’t keep up.
One person can all the players in the game toxic, and another can disagree with them on that. Toxic has a definition. It doesn’t matter if you agree or don’t agree if that person applies it to another.
Anything else I can help you with?
Again, what’s toxic and what isn’t?
To some casuul, elitism is toxic because it insults their (lack of) abilities.
To some elitist, casuul design is toxic because it detracts from the game style they want.
IMO, the stronger of the two player bases should win (stronger in this case being whichever one is left after the “battle”).
So, if all the casuuls get upset and leave due to the negativity they receive? Working as intended.
If they manage to weather the storm while the elitist’s game is eroded away to the point that THEY are the ones that quit? Still working as intended.
Bliz will never do that because of SJW push to have “family friendly” environments, and also they’re likely the larger slice of the pie, and certainly the easier piece to satisfy from a quality of gameplay perspective, but I’d personally love it if they just left it to fix itself.
I am saying that people are free to be against them, not that they have to.
You are free to not want others to get anything. You are free to want people to be mythic raids with a certain io score. You are literally free to want or like anything you want. That’s on you.
That doesn’t mean that what you want is going to be interpreted by others as you intended.
I’d point out that there’s nothing ‘toxic’ about that, but I’d be beating a dead horse.
I’m done here, enjoy digging your hole.
No. The OP makes a claim that is essentially an invalid argument. This hypothetical you are posing is pointless.
What is it exactly?
Wrong. Utterly and completely wrong. People publicly shaming others with blanket, amorphous, ambiguous terms with no legitimate reason is a huge problem in our current society. The mob mentality that is rail-roading and ostracizing people with no semblance of reason or oversight is “Lord of the Flies” territory.
People should be held accountable for their actions, which CERTAINLY includes public shaming and slander. Unless of course you are secretly Kathy Griffin…
One person can think something that is toxic that another does not.
In the end the only thing that matters is who brings in the most money to the game.
People leave because they don’t like changes. Changes to the game that go against core MMO and RPG elements like character building, social interactions and an immersive experiences will always be the main downfalls of any MMORPG.
Having to deal with people just sounds like a single player not meshing well with an online game, and it is an online game… even if it’s gotten more solo friendly.
I agree with the “subjective definition” part. However, what matters most to the game is entirely up to the developer. Not all of them seek profit at the expense of absolutely anything else. I’d definitely agree that it seems to be bliz’s biggest concern, though.
Tell me who was publicly shamed here. Name them and then what they are accused of.
First off, that is claim I did not make and you know it. You are being deliberately obtuse in order to deflect the rest of my post. I thought you might be above that, guess not.
Second, the OP itself blankets the entire playerbase and forum users as ignorant and toxic.
Before you come back with obviously childish “the OP doesn’t shame any person specificlly” junk… No. Obviously not. I never stated that anyone specifically was shamed in this thread. As my post clearly states, public shaming and slander with no legit basis is an issue in our society as a whole, not specifically the WoW forums or NA servers.
I thought so too, but it really just turns out to be a small number of very vocal idiots making it seem that way. Like, Org chat on my server was just constantly full of sexist, racist, ignorant garbage. So I started blocking a few people and it’s so much better. I honestly now think most players are pretty nice, and just not dumb enough to rant in chat all day.
You said:
So I asked who was shamed etc.
You then came back and say:
If you didn’t mean that people are publicly shamed then don’t say so. We are in a forum for a video game. If you think people calling out other people for being ‘toxic’ I will stand behind you 100%. But you don’t get to say one group is doing it, so I get to do it too!!!
I don’t think that OP used the word or even implied the usage of the word ‘entire’ in their description of the player base. If you take that as the case, it’s no wonder we have had this many replies.
You are taking offense to something that isn’t there and then as a defense mechanism you are trying to put that argument back on the OP to justify.
I think we’re done here.
The casuals bring the most ![:moneybag:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/moneybag.png?v=6" ":moneybag:")
thats a no brainer for sure.
At this point I’m challenging your reading comprehension. I clearly stated that public shaming is a problem in current society. I never stated it was an issue specially in game, in the forums or in this thread. That was you taking something out of context and manipulating it.
The OP does not specifcally use the word entire. The OP describes the players base with no set parameters, therefore the default interpretation of of a plural pronoun is everyone in the group that the pronoun represents unless otherwise specified.
I’m not offended by any of this. If anything, a bit saddened at how quick they are to label others as toxic over something as pointless as /1 chat in Barrens.
No. That is what the OP actually states.
Looks like an incomplete thought.
You quote a response from me without any context of what it was responding to. Its like communicating with a teenager. Did you even read my posts or are you just looking snip-its you can attack individually?
The context for me is how this relates to WoW. If you want to make a post on r/politics on the discourse of the people that don’t agree with you, feel free. I’m sure they will 100% welcome your logic there.
Oh that’s cute.
You use the word interpretation, which means how you interpret it, and then project that as to the OPs general meaning.
That’s some next level comical stuff there.
Again…you don’t need me to agree with you. Your reasoning for this entire debacle is 100% in your own mind. You act as if some injustice has occurred and it’s just the opinion of another player…of a video game that’s gotten you so worked up.
Sorry, this ends here for me. Best of luck to you hope you can work it out. If not, it’s best to stay away from threads that bother you.
Again, I CLEARLY stated it as an issue in society. Since the WoW community is a sub-section of society, its relevance is self evident.
No. I said “default interpretation”. In other words, when someone describes a group with no additional parameters, the default understanding/meaning of that description is that it applies to the entire group. That is how generalizations work. Again, I challenge your reading comprehension. You don’t seem capable of an actual discussion and are more suited for memes and message board rage.
i dont agree with all of the first post but, the community has always been toxic(meaning majority not all). probably because the gaming market isnt the same as it use to be and they have to let it out somewhere(small joke but a fact). and the ppl being toxic are stuck on feeling bigger through letters on a screen, they call it venting. i call it bullying. it does affect people sooner or later is what i think he was trying to say. but if i had to blame someone lets just say millennials and keep it simple xD
He’s baiting you to become toxic.Don’t play into it.He knows what you mean.
These guys eat laundry soap for kicks. They need some sunlight before they go blind.