Hey just wondering what would be the cause of an entire bnet ban over a game license ban? context is i was arguing with someone on discord who essentially implied they have done a bunch of rmt (specifically gold but i wouldn’t discount like boosting or something) and basically didn’t care since he said if he was banned he can just make a 2nd license on the same bnet. If hes done rmt alot of times, why would his bnet just not get entirely banned?
I think Blizzard does action the entire BNet account if any breaches of the End-User License Agreement, though I think I might be wrong too.
Thing is, if someone is breaching the End-User License Agreement, then best to report the user, someone else will have more info on how. But if they are only saying they do it, and they say it outside of Blizzard’s platforms, then nothing much can be done.
Also keep in mind, Blizzard would have to fully investigate by their logs to confirm that RMT is happening, so even if they player did get there account fully actioned, nothing is stopping them from creating a new BNet account. It is a very complex situation to help stop with RMT. This usually comes from the players who keep buying the gold that keeps this sort of thing happening.
I did some google searching around and read the guy is technically correct with how if he does get banned it’ll only effect one of the licenses he has instead of the entire account. But if hes done it a load of times on first license, wouldn’t he just get bnet banned if hes caught?
A Bnet account can only hold a maximum of 8 WoW licenses. Eventually, he’d run out of slots, effectively banning that Bnet account.
There’s nothing to prevent him creating a new Bnet account, though.
doesn’t the amount hes done it matter? like if hes done rmt lets say 8 times for arguments sake, and 1 of those 8 triggers a perma ban on the first license, can the other 7 still trigger anything (after the perma ban thats already been placed) which can result in the entire battlenet being cooked?
First, nobody really cares which character you post on; one’s as good as the next.
It is possible to break the rules so badly that they ban the entire Bnet account. Generally, though, they only sanction the account used to violate the EULA.
Not really sure what “so badly” would specifically mean however. like does it refer to repeat tos violations on multiple licenses, can it only involve 1 license? etc because like i said wouldn’t breaking the tos a bunch on the 1 license be enough
The thing is, historically it’s been extremely difficult to catch a ban for an entire b-net account. It means banning not just the WoW accounts, but everything else on it.
That said, we’ve certainly seen it happen over the years.
At the end of the day though, if all they have are WoW accounts on a throwaway b-net, it’s not going to hurt this cheater even if they close that account.
Personally, and I do mean personally, I’d sever relations with someone I found out was doing this sort of thing. We’ve seen whole guild get actioned for this stuff too.
Best piece of advice, take everything they say with a grain of salt, report it via the hacks@blizzard.com email address and keep a 10 foot pole between you and this person.
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i dont think he considers all his accounts like ‘throw away’ accounts but more so that like even though he semi flaunts the fact he has rmt’d for gold etc a bunch and that his only consequence is he would (from his understanding) need a new wow license to play again and keeps all his collection stuff. Atleast from my pov if someone has rmt’d a bunch load on the 1 license wouldn’t that result in an entire account closure?
Don’t get hung up with what someone brags about. Chances are they are either full of it and the truth is something entirely different.
As Perl said:
Let Blizzard investigate, and you just try avoid being near the person.
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Once he hits gets his 8th account (assuming it’s the legit one) banned, then he’s toast. He’ll have no choice but to start over on a new battle.net.
Again, trust nothing this person says. They’re trying to push their own agenda where they’re “getting away with it”, when they’re actually a terrible person.
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for arguments sake lets say hes telling the truth in what hes said and by what you’re saying here he effectively has 8 chances? regardless on the rmt hes done? that seems insane to me
This is also in the specific instance all hes done is RMT stuff and not something worse
Nobody really knows as it’s a case by case thing.
Account penalties are applied after careful investigation which also take into account any previous actions too.
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from what i read above wouldn’t a new license result in effectively a clean slate put on further so long as they dont break the tos like they did on the first license? Atleast in regards to RMT since that is the thing i was talking about, obviously there are other stuff which are looked at differently
Yes, because things like IP bans don’t tend to work. It’s often the case when those heavily involved in serious acts will likely be using VPNs anyway.
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I guess then its blizzards method of testing to see if they change their ways i guess? still though doesn’t the amount of RMT for instance actually matter like if they did it 8/9 or even 10 times for instance, or would it still result the same of the first license being banned and you are given the option of playing a new license on the same bnet regardless of the amount you did before
Seem to be going around in circles, you’re asking the same question over and over.
Really can’t answer it in definate terms, nor will Blizzard.
You do seem to understand how the penalties work, in general. Blizzard really wants people to learn from their mistakes and STOP doing it. They penalize the license, then eventually close the individual license. If they can behave, they are welcome to start a new license on the same Battlenet account - up to 8 times. I feel that is rather lenient, but I am not Blizzard. Blizzard prefers people grow and learn from mistakes.
What DOES get a whole Bnet closed? They don’t really go into it but I can give you a few examples I have seen. Much of it is targeted at the RMT industry and designed to stop them making new Bnets to bot/advertise/farm/etc.
- Financial fraud, esp on a new Bnet account. Making new Bnet accounts then using third party game keys bought with stolen credit cards, stolen bnet balance “gifts” etc. This is a common tactic of the RMT industry (along with using stolen Bnet accounts).
- Automation/cheating - esp on a new Battlenet account. Making Bnet accounts to bot/cheat with it a common tactic of the massive third party RMT industry.
- Meeting certain indications that the account has been stolen and is being used for nefarious purposes - something RMT industry does in spades. They will close the account until the account holder can reclaim it.
Outside of that there are legal reasons - a Bnet account holder may cross the line into illegal territory so egregiously that they get “fired” as a customer. They will not even let the person make new Bnet accounts. Blizz does not talk about that and I assume it is a case by case decision.
If you have information on RMT websites and practices that you want to report, the hacks@blizzard.com email is the way to go. That is a one way means to report, but gets it to the Hacks team.
As others said - never trust people bragging they don’t get caught. That is also a “sales” tactic for RMT carries/services.
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Thanks for correcting me there Mira. I wasn’t 100% certain, which is why I said, “I think”, and “I could be wrong”.