yea i know lol im just messing with him. but instead of constructively taking the time to suggest some buffs to anima powers or add new defensive anima powers to help petless classes such as mages in general he just blatantly demanded that…
"As a tank or healer at the very least it should be tuned to be the SAME difficulty as for a DPS, not ridiculously easier."
The first round of layers were easy on heals. The second were harder. Last week was really, really hard on heals. Like, really hard … Especially as a priest without an interrupt.
I don’t want to run shadow. I’m not geared for shadow. I run everything in disc. My legendary is disc. My muscle memory is disc.
This change screws me, bad. What’s the sadistic pleasure here in screwing over specs that already struggle in every piece of content that isn’t group? We should be able to reasonably clear things at the same level as DPS. If we have to spend an extra 50-60% of time doing every task because of increased health, that’s not constructive or fair.
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Gross, thanks a ton OP.
Can still clear it on both my specs but tank was actually one I had a breeze doing it on. Now it’s just as much of a time sink as my other characters.
Why?
A DPS can’t heal at the same level as a healer. Why should a healer be entitled to DPS at a real DPS level? It’s a massive level of entitlement to expect that.
Healing is a group spec. Run with a group. If you want to solo queue, change to your DPS spec. At least you have the option - pure DPS are stuck.
Well yeah, I think that was the whole point of the change?
And to Shieldbash the amazing Orc warrior who deleted his amazing post - I have all of the currently available Torghast achievements.
Players need more reason to be playing those two roles at the moment not less.
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I deleted it because you are not a healer, so it was a moot point!
As a Warlock I found them to be pretty difficult once I got to 3rd level. Then I needed a group. I did find that switching my covenant from venthyr to necrolord made things a little easier. Those fleshcraft anima powers are awesome.
It is kind of the reverse of what Visions where for the most part 
Too many people haven’t bothered to read any of this thread, and just jump to the conclusion I’m salty because I can’t do Torghast.
I have zero problems with completing Torghast at the moment. I’m a warlock. I have a pet tank. It’s not hard at all for me. The most difficult part is staying awake through all the buffed mob HP.
How is it balanced? You want to be able to heal at 100% of a full healer, while doing DPS at 100% of a pure DPS. You basically want to have your cake and eat it too.
Good news! You can switch to Shadow, which is overtuned at the moment!
I’m not sure why you think I want you to suffer. This change wont have any effect on you unless you solo queue. If you do the content as intended (in a party as you’re a healer) it’ll be the appropriate difficulty.
You seem to want to be able to retain your healing capability while also dealing as much damage as a DPS. That’s the opposite of balanced.
I don’t understand the reason they made it more annoying for healer/tank. Imagine as a healer already not having much in terms of damage/cc but now this. 
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It’s to encourage you to group up, which is what the tank and healing roles are intended to be for.
At the moment, DPS players are switching to their heal or tank offspec so they can cheat-mode Torghast. That’s what this change is targeting.
Healing doesn’t kill mobs man.
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Correct. That’s what your DPS spec is for.
but the scaling is messed up… torg doesn’t neccessarily get any easier when grouped, it will potentially be harder now when grouped.
Its only opened layer 6! Why are we boosting it making it harder before its all been revealed?
And I am a Prot Warrior, its easier then fury cause I get stomped, Arms is slow and boring to play. I am not a zoomer raider with 190+ gear, I play everyday but can only go as fast as the time in game progression.
They are now telling me I cannot compete.
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so basically you dont want tanks/healers to have fun and do something well solo outside of groups, you really do want less of them playing
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It doesn’t “deal as much damage” though, it’s just that the mobs don’t take us a whole minute and a half to kill like every other overworld mob. It was meant to be tuned to each class and spec individually so that we could all have a similar experience, and healers/tanks would not have to beat their heads against an endless wall in order to get through in a reasonable amount of time.
I have no burst, I have no CC, I have no interrupt. I have a measly fear and a single knockback ability. I am missing many utilities, buffs, and other handy things that you have. I am not asking for any of those things, including not asking for any of your big mobs-go-boom spells. I just want reasonable mob health.
It’s already very difficult to get through on heals. Being able to heal myself does not just make it easy as pie. It is not unreasonable to expect to be able to finish this in a similar amount of time as you can. If my heals do not get me through faster than you, then it isn’t unbalanced.
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Incorrect just as some players enjoy solo content as a dps, tanks/healers deserve to be able to do the same.
This change is significantly worse for healer. As someone who does tank/dps I’ll be fine.
Not sure if you have done content as a healer but they are very gipped. Unless you’re a resto druid.
Yes. As their DPS spec, which they can switch to at will at no cost. You have the choice. Wanting your tank or healing spec to be as good as pure dps specs is just entitled and selfish.
What is the point of a DPS spec if the tanks and healers are better? At that point may as well give everyone resto and prot specs.
WOW is a role playing game. Tank and Heal roles are group support, not solo dps machines.
‘Just reroll spec’ isn’t good enough for us and isn’t a valid solution for the predicament the other healer specs are under.
Resto can do Balance affinity and heart of the wild nuke the boss. A holy main is going to twiddle while the boss stacks up and kills them. They need to tune healers back asap.