Hard to say how well “the hunt” will perform, honestly unless a dh is planning on only doing pvp I don’t see it being chosen currently as a go to covenant. That said hunters I think also get LoS ignoring covenant.
Dude, Chaos Nova AoE stuns for 2 seconds, it’s baseline cd is 1 min. The 45 second cd and no fury cost has to be spec’d into a talent which means we are giving up Fel Eruption which is our only true 4 second stun. We do not have a base line 4 second stun unless we spec into Fel Eruption. It’s one or the other, not both.
The leech in Legion was way stronger than it is now with Soul Rending. If your healer is healing less than a DH’s self healing something is wrong on there end. Also, you have to factor in the talent Demonic Appetite. Once again, it’s a talent that allows Chaos Strike a chance to proc a soul shard.
I understand that DH needs to be toned down, but if you are going to argue at least make accurate points.
Edit: Also, any player worth of anything in pvp will kite or cc a DH during meta. If we can’t hit you, we cant leech, if we can’t leech we cant heal, we can’t heal we die. We have no other source of self healing, so stop with over dramatizing it.
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Learn your stuff before responding, I guess?
Dont give me that crap. Its all new stuff coming out subject to change. You are gettinf an MS just on another ability.
“It’s all new stuff subject to change” → cites new thing subject to change.
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Gotta stop you there. DH’s cant be kited. I have had them at max range on my BM hunter in a binding shot with concuss on them and they have gotten strsight back on me, as soon as they were in range to sap or stun they did
May I introduce you to the concept of pillars? It’s not impossible to kite a DH, it’s just a bit harder than some other classes.
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Sap?
I know a lot of Demon Hunters look like rogues cause they have some cool Transmog. But that doesn’t make them rogues lol.
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Pillars do nothing when they insta swoop around and catch you with one of their 3484727 cc’s
Sorry i meant banish
Try again. That’s YOUR spell as a warlock.
Demon Hunters don’t have banish.
Edit:
Going to assume you mean.
Imprison
20 yd range
Instant 45 sec cooldown
Imprisons a demon, beast, or humanoid, incapacitating them for 1 min. Damage will cancel the effect.
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Sure, because giving an S tier spec the ability to also apply MS to entire groups of enemies is perfectly reasonable.
First of all, I’d like you to conduct a simple experiment. Place your character so there is a tremendous amount of space behind him. Rotate your camera so that you are looking at his face. Now jump, Vengeful Retreat, press both mouse buttons to face your character forward, Fel Rush, Fel Rush, Glide.
Now look back at your starting point, if its even still visible. This only becomes more ridiculous if done from any degree of elevation, all of it completely ignoring snares, and the insanity continues when you add in the 20 yrd range on Imprison.
Kiting isn’t really an option.
As for trying to CC a Havoc DH during Meta, the problem is the DH gets far more time in Meta than you can shut down. Much like and compounded by the kiting issue, you’re only delaying the inevitable.
May I introduce you to The Hunt? Not that it is even necessary when you can just rotate your camera, Vengeful Retreat past the pillar, Fel Rush, and be on top of the target.
I’m usually one to spend time looking to improve struggling specs, but it’s hard to ignore the absurd changes being gifted to this already overpowered spec. I get that no one wants to see their spec nerfed, but in this case it is absolutely necessary and needs to happen now to allow a reasonable version of the spec time to be well-designed and tested.
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You knew whst i meant. When its used on me it comes up saying banish.
This is used as just another gap closer when attempting to be kited on a DH making them dam near impossible to kite. Then they pump 30k sustain dps into you
I’d like to add that lets assume you can easily kite a Demon Hunter.
what is the Demon Hunter’s option as far as game play at that point?
We cant put on a sword and shield to up our defense, we have no bubble or protection, we cant vanish, we cant start spamming heals on ourself.
Simply put, we have no pure defense ability to fall back on. The best we got is our 1 min CD Blur. But the damage reduction is not that much and its getting nerfed.
Demon Hunters are an offense class. Everything about us in terms of game play requires us to be in the thick of it. As soon as we are rooted/stun/kited/feared etc. we fall fast. We need to make contact to get anything done. Thats why we have so many gap closers.
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I wouldn’t put Demon Hunters on S tier, but A tier instead. I consider Windwalker and Assassination/Subtlety to be S tier for melee because they are way more oppressing. DH’s are only really good in 2v2s.
I don’t really care about The Hunt. I also think we don’t need it and find it silly, even though Illidan has something similar in HotS. Also it’s a 3min cooldown where you can teleport twice, so although unnecessary, not that big of a deal.
Poor excuse, same with warriors but they can be kited. The thing with DH’s is they dont suffer recovery time after a cc. They are instantly back on target pumping insane mongo dmg. If a DH gets kited non stop they are doing it wrong
Precisely. Thank you for articulating those points.
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Your right, we don’t have a recovery time because we are dead if we cant get back on you.
Simply said, if your letting a DH stick on you without you popping any damage reduction cooldown’s and your not getting heals and your not loading them up with more damage then they are with you, then yea, chances are your going to loose. But if you have any of those things i just listed happening, you have a good chance the DH will loose.
Also, If we used our Meta which is 30 sec duration 4 min cool down without PvP talent. Then yea your going to go down if you let us beat on you. You have to pop cool downs as well. If we talent it and reduce it to 15 sec duration 2 min cool down. Then you might survive without any extra cool downs or assistance but we are still popping a cool down in that scenario.
Try facing a Demon Hunter without them using meta. You should find it a bit easy to face down. Without our CD. We die fast out of meta.
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Maybe your toolkit is inadequate. I can’t say for certain. I know when going up against rogues it seems like I’m continually cc’d or slowed until there bleeds and poisons kill me. Druids are always rooting me and shapeshifting away. Hunter’s have traps, pets, and can disengage depending on specs and talents.
Not all classes have the same toolkit. You have to look at the larger picture outside of the narrow window of your warlock to fully understand this.
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Birds of a feather aye?
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