i just like to remind people that they are running the same dungons over and over and over for a rng lookbox at the end of the week.
arnt you excited its almos tuesday!!!
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I tried doing an 11 and a 10 last week without it as an experiment and neither group got to the first boss.
Iâm still hoping you will tell me what the constraints of my next year will be btw.
Right i forgot to add you to it as well. based on our previous conversations i figured youâd get the hint. Glad i found out about this mute feature. I no longer have to deal with certain people.
I honestly want to re test with whatever conditions you put forward. Iâm trying to help you make your own case here and have been polite while Iâm doing it.
Why would you want to mute me?
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The anti IO crowd, 90% of the time and it is VERY obvious from their posts, are ones who want nothing more than to be carried. You see it all the time, players complain they cannot get into 10 keys, but have no IO. They complain they cannot get into low keys, with no IO.
There are those who complain about not getting into a +15 and getting the achievement OP got just because their iLVL is over 430, but have a 200 IO.
We wonât take you, not because âOMG your IO is crapâ, because it is very self evident that a low IO means low experience and we donât want to be wasting our time on these runs.
Oh but yes we can simply push for completion, but that is talk of players who donât run high keys and donât understand how the system works.
The faster the completion time, the higher the key, the more loot you are going to be able to obtain for your group. Higher keys are ran most of the time to be timed, some weeks and some keys are rubbish and we agree before rolling out if we are going to time or not, but overall itâs timed or nothing.
Itâs a fine tool for anything +7 and over on some weeks since that is where the third affix comes into play. Like trying to take a low IO player into a fort+explosives week, it wonât end well even on a 7. I have had low IO players not just ignore the explosives, I have had low IO players specifically state in chat âI am DPS, I donât do orbs, that is the tanks jobâ, those runs donât end well.
There is a reason, a real actual reason the IO system was put in place and it;s not to be exclusive to certain people, it is to ensure we have some data that is going to allow us to find the same minded players and work through our runs together.
And until players actually do start with the higher keys they really donât understand what it is like to have the need for IO, the lower the IO the more they cannot comprehend why it is important. Your iLVL means very little, it is more about what scores you have to show you are able to finish runs, what weeks you have done, how many times you have timed keys in certain brackets, itâs all there for a reason.
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iirc he wanted you to do a mini-interview about the dungeon mechanics with each of the people you invited. But Iâd be really surprised if he didnât move the goalposts again should you actually do that.
âMetaâ comps impact all roles- but Iâve always found it easier to get into groups as a tank or healer.
Iâm going to re test what I did last week. This time I will run a key with io as a baseline then run the following key with only checking item level (I feel like 420-425 is the highest that should be asked for) and I will compare the results again. If anyone has any additional constraints then please let me know.
(Lavashart this is your opportunity to get the test you want)
That is why I am trying to get him to say whatehe wants before I do it. So I can be sure to meet his criteria.
i absolutely disagree with you there. iâm in a small casual guild, and while i like raiding and difficult content more than they do, i donât feel held back in any way. thanks to pugging and the LFG tools i managed to meet some cool people and get a raid spot, and theyâre not all one guild either. things like this simply werenât possible in vanilla and are more difficult in classic. i can raid with my raider friends on sat/sun and chill with my guildies the rest of the week. BfA is awesome for that
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I only do M+ in-guild so donât care about raider IO one way or the other, but I do think the whole threadâs foundation is missing the mark.
This achievement would have been much less likely if you were not a rogue.
Rogues makes 15+ runs much, much easier. Especially when pugging.
M+'s terrible design, coupled with BFAâs horrible, horrible, no good really bad class design, is the real issue.
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People hate raider io because its exactly like gear score back in wrath it doesnt prove you have the skill to do something,like you said people get carried all the time one lucky key run and bam 1500.
Even doing a +22 on time (which is just 1 shy of the maximum that has ever been done this season) will only give you around 315 points. You need a lot more than âone lucky keyâ to have a high rating.
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Name a better way of QUICKLY deriving player skill without having to talk to the person when you have 20+ dps apps in under 5 seconds to every +10 key. Iâll wait.
Also, getting 1500 means you ran ALL keys at 15+
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Unless Iâm in their run i wont accept anything they post. They were already deceptive once. I have no reason to trust them nor should i again.
if you have a horde character I will gladly take you
(can someone quote that and repost it I think he is ignoring me for trying to give him what he wants)
what say you?
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This doesnt make any sense. Completing a +15 will get your score to 150-159. You need to complete EVERY dungeon on +15 in order to get a 1500+ score.
People who complain about io are the players who dont want to put in the time to show they are capable of beating keys. All raider io does is pull your armory info anyways which anyone can see even if you are set to private. IO just saves the group leader time.
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I don,t, only character thats geared for M+ is this guy.
so lemme get this straight.
you wonât be satisfied with the results of his test, unless he fulfills your impossible to realize request, all on the basis that he was âdeceptiveâ, when i know for a fact having been in that thread, that it was seemingly a difference in testing philosophy and not any actual dishonesty that caused this argument, even though he asked you multiple times what baseline would satisfy you?
and then you conveniently mute him when he brings it up?
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