I raid with multiple people who have all those things they deal with and yet still go into mythic.
While I appreciate the positivity of the OPâs post, this kind of just feels like telling people to âeat your vegetables because theyâre good for you.â If some people discover that they like raiding at normal and above after this, then thatâs great. But there will be plenty of people who will go through Fated normal to get the mount and then go right back to LFR because that is what they prefer or what better suits their playstyle and schedule.
Blizzard (and other players) need to stop trying to force people into doing types of content that they donât enjoy. And in this case, you canât even say âWell, if youâre not willing to do the content, then you donât get the cool rewards!â Because the achievement for slime kitty said âall difficultiesâ for months on PTR and even says so on the live servers right now. Theyâre literally going to have to do a hotfix before Season 4 starts next week to ensure LFR peeps donât get the mount lol.
Itâs ridiculous, especially since LFR is being included in the difficulty boost that all raid modes are getting. But thereâs nothing special for LFR raiders to earn aside from higher ilvl versions of gear pieces that they already have.
At this point, they should just merge LFR and normal since they keep insisting on treating LFR like trash.
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Man playing meta tank has no toxicity, more at 11.
Yea, I get the same vibe. Positive thinking can help, but it doesnât change reality, it changes the person, and when that person is dealing with conditions that doesnât allow him to normal raid. Like responsibilities, time, ect., then the power of positive thinking isnât going to help.
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Finally someone who gets it.
People complaining about LFR are the same ones who never/rarely pug and have absolutely no clue what is looming around that deep dark horrible corridor. The metagame goes deeeeep these days.
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Itâs because their ego is tied to it. They have a false image of themselves that playing normal is elite, and anything under is sub-human gameplay, itâs not even a difficulty, and literally ignore any other logic. How do you argue against Blizzard even using the terminology âLFR difficultyâ. You canât, so you have to move the goal posts to try to be right about something unrelated.
Itâs the lack of queue that makes doing normal a problem. All there is to it.
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I know I can do normals Iâve done them this expansion on my other hunter . Even Got AOTC for Sanctum on it and 8/11 heroic for SotFO on it too.
It isnât a matter of canât , it is a case of I want to do season 4 on this toon with itâs bad covenant ability for normal and higher raiding .
Yah it can take a while to get a normal mode group going. Not to mention that the achievement requirements were horribly worded, to the point where alot of people were thinking that LFR would be an acceptable mode of raiding to get the gooey saber.
I mean, The achievement says,
Complete all three fated raids in Shadowlands season 4.
If it was meant for normal and forward, why not have it say,
Complete all three fated raids in shadowlands season 4 on normal difficulty or higher.
That would at least avoid all the confusion and the massive social experiment we have going on here.
As for me, i got plenty of saber mounts. They just are not gooey. A real unfortunate series of events for sure. But i will live.
I mean, seriously. My only options for quickness, are pay 250 k. Or, maybe get a friendship Gooey is the new fuey cuey friendship run or something.
Or maybe Gooey saber for my fellow neighbor, friendship run. My issue with these is that, even they can be a pain. The demand, as would be notable, is pretty high. This means, that you are in a que of other players in that wierd que system friendship players use to determine who is next for the run. Like, i just want to get in, get my achieves, get my gooey saber, and get out. I donât want to wait on the millions of other people, who are also waiting on the system for the gooey saber mount run.
LFR is just super convenient in that sense, where the only thing you are waiting on, is the automated que, and then the boss clearings. Nothing else. No gold. No talking to people in discords. No wierd raffle stuffs. Nothing else. Just get in, and get out.
Typically, i do not raid. Never have. I always find it boring. But the reality is, for example, the molten core hound mount. You qued up with 40 other folks, did the raid, left, and your mount was there. No talking for the most part. Or skype calls. Or paid transactions of real money or wow tokens or gold. Just get in, clear the raid, get out, and the corehound fell into my bags, and i right clicked, and i was able to ride it.
I honestly can absolutlely understand the confusion with the playerbase on this one. The way the achievement is worded is the key. It lead me to believe i could que up in LFR to, just like i did with the corehound mount in 2014. But, alas this isnât the case.
Every single mount i have is pretty easy to get by my own terms. If i have to go out of my way, i donât want it. And i think alot of other folks feel the same. Why go after this gooey Saber, when i can go do the shadowpan dailies and get a Cat mount for a fraction of the work and gold, at a more single player experience.
I think at the same time, to the OP credit, i do think that people need to accept that this is the way that it is. It could change, but it is unlikely. At this point, it is just a difficult situation to be in. I mean, in vanilla world of warcraft, way back in the day, there was alot of cool stuff i wanted, but i also knew i wasnât going to be able to get them because i was to slow. I mean, it is what it is. The difference was, i wasnât mislead. I knew raiding was hardcore. But i also knew there was a ton of cool stuff to get that required a fraction of the effort, heck with little to no effort.
So as of now, yah, the players who want the gooey slimesaber mount, which i also remember being second most popular behind the tree in the survey, then you need to organize a group with guilds and all that good stuff. It is what it is.
But blizzard needs to, A. Fix their wording when it comes to achievement text when it comes to the wording of achievement completion before it comes to live. Because, seriously, they lead alot of folks to believe LFR would count for completion. Like good lord. Work on that blizzard.
And B. I am going to try and find the official discription of LFR. The acronym LFR stands for âLooking for raidâ So, if this does not count as raiding, or raid completion in the context of the description of the achievement and the requirements to complete the achievement, then i do not understand why it is called raiding at that point.
It says complete all three fated raids in shadowlands season 4, so i was going to click on LFR, to look for a raid, to complete those specific raids for shadowlands season 4 to get that specific achievement that awards that specific mount.
Someone at blizzard messed up is all i am sayin. Cannot blame the players entirely, when the description of the achivement itself and itâs wording in order to gain credit for the achievment that awards the mount implies that you could use LFR to look for a raid to complete those fated raids or whatever.
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This is literally what Iâve been saying. I love incentives to make this game more like an mmo and get people working together. I actually had such a hard time getting into ff14 due to the more solo aspect of it. Just made me feel like I shouldnât be paying monthly for a game I will probably just play like a solo game. Communities and guilds are what make an mmo. Thereâs already so many discords that are gonna help put groups together.
I appreciate the optimism you are displaying however not everyone enjoys raiding and i get the feeling that you support forcing people into doing things they donât want to do thinking they will enjoy it in the first place. You wouldnât tell a woman sheâll enjoy you and force her to do it. Thats just inhumane why do the same thing to a gamer? Seeing how Blizzard practices just that though its no surprise they are forcing players to raid for something they wanted. I however will not be forced and refuse to raid. Not like iâll be playing dragonflight anyways since they are reverting back to their anti fun policies. Canât trust this company worth crap anymore.
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Theyâre also what break an MMO. The community at large can be awful to interact with. Thatâs not going to change (in fact itâs probably going to get worse) because of an influx of LFR players.
Between the insane requirements, gatekeeping, and extreme volatility of groups, pugging is awful, and instead of pushing players up into normal, itâs more likely to make them just not attempt at all.
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The only thing that might slow ppl down is if groups are just looking to steamroll normal mode. In S3, I plowed through most of N SFO at 236 iLvl in pugs.
The people saying they have no time to do normal are basically pretending they are slave labor at this point, and instead of playing wow they probably should be getting their lives together.
So people can still do it that way regardless of whether LFR also has it as an extra option to help people out who simply canât do normal or above.
Random question OP - do you post on trade chat in Alliance on Stormrage, saying what you did in your title?
As nice and well intentioned as the OP is, i think a lot of people here just donât understand how horrible of an experience it is trying to poke your head into the proper raiding scene, the average LFR only raider isnât going to have any fun sitting around for hours being scrutinized and rejected (at least LFR queues donât reject them).
Iâm personally fortunate enough that i have friends that donât mind taking me places even when my skill level, knowledge level or item level is lacking for said content, and equally important is the fact that their friends are cool with me being there too, the odds of the average LFR only raider getting into such a situation are astronomical.
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We get it. Gameâs not for casual players anymore. Either open up your schedule for WoW or get out.
Funny enough, the trend for this game lately has been heavily favoring the latter. Apparently theyâre looking to reinforce it before their next expansion.
Not worth the effort.
Donât wana burn myself out just to pad someone corporate stats.
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But how do you know what they individually think, or what they may have going on in their lives atm?
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