Missed this. You’re not wrong. You nor I get to dictate each others reasons.
Most of us know when one is idiotic. It’s the ones who choose not to have common sense that cause issues like this.
Something may happen, or it may not. Just like the amendment frauditors I mentioned. Some even won settlements. Some law makers found loopholes for those who were clearly trying to play the law. I don’t have enough faith in Blizzard to do so because it doesn’t help shareholders.
It takes approximately less than 5 seconds to deduce if someone’s being a troll, and even less time to kick them. You make it sound like group finder was completely unplayable and brigaded by troll players lol
No I’m actually certain you don’t, because you still think it’s a tool for justice, to punish players who “do something bad”.
Because Blizzard wants groups to be able to remove players that don’t fit in with the rest of the group. That’s a good thing to have because you shouldn’t be forced to group with anyone you don’t want to, especially if the majority of the group agrees.
In its worst use case, your solution would allow one person to freely ruin the experience of four others, the way it is requires three or four people to agree to ruin the experience of one.
In your scenario, there is the potential for far more experience ruining, and it’s a lot easier to achieve. That’s why it’s a bad solution.
Again, player agency tool, not justice tool. There is no abuse because it’s not designed solely for the purpose of removing people who do something bad.
My point exactly. An entire post trying to explain what the actual purpose and use of the tool is, including illustrating the consequences of your proposed solution, and your response is “you’re stupid”.
You won’t change your mind with reason, because you won’t even engage with reason.
I mean, what is your reason? That Blizzard’s design intent with the VtK system was to punish people for not playing the game as well as they could? Is that your reason?
What do you think a punishment is, if not a penalty inflicted on someone for committing an offense? Is playing the game below average an offense to you?
I’m aware of what Blizzard says, but their application of the system paints an entirely different picture. You kick someone, they get the debuff. That debuff serves as a punishment and prohibits them from engaging with the game: A timeout.
They’d rather claim it wasn’t an issue, when Blizzard had been saying over and over that it was an issue. One they addressed by implementing the debuff.
When there’s a recurring issue, they address it.
People were toxic and holding groups hostage back in Wrath. They harassed, trolled, sat at the entrance of dungeons until they were kicked and then continued to do it over and over. Blizzard saw the metrics and problems. They addressed it.
People were leaving dungeons after the first boss over a dumb trinket. Blizzard saw the metrics and problems. They addressed it.
People claim the vote kick system is abused. They claim people are kicking for troll reasons. Blizzard sees there are no metrics. They have done nothing because there is no recurring issue to address.
But if people want minor tweaks, then let’s settle on the following:
Re-implement the cooldown on kicks if it was removed
Lower the debuff to 15 minutes to align with the time it takes to run a dungeon now
Put a 5 second countdown timer on the yes button for vote kicks
There. Are we done now? This thread has gone in way too many circles and once again devolved to belittling and insulting.
People still are, in other ways. You say they’re not because Blizzard hasn’t acted. If they said today that they were, you’d change your stance. Not because you believe it but because Blizzard said so.