Titanforging and Warforging make me upset

I already explained how it was wrong, but you just proved my point. :slight_smile:

I mean they are both opinions and crazy as it sounds, people have different opinions.

Speaking of that. I would love to hear your opinion on how Titanforging is a better progression system for non raiders than the progression systems of BC/Wrath/Cata.

Sorry, you keep asking questions about things that are not relevant. Decade old expansions are not relevant at this time.

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So you think itā€™s not better that what we have I guess since you canā€™t come up with anything. So you do agree we should remove Titanforging and go back to when gear progression was great. Finally, we agree on something!

Or if you donā€™t you can explain why, but until you do we can just assume gear progression was better in those pervious expansions.

No we donā€™t agree. Titanforging does not mess up gear progression.

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But you canā€™t come up with a reason on how itā€™s better than previous systems. So we have to conclude that you think itā€™s a flawed system.

You are the one that is trying to compare things to a game that is ancient history and not relevant today. Sorry, but you canā€™t compare oranges to apples and decide why one system is better for apples but not oranges.

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So youā€™re saying nobody has ever compared how something is today to something 8-10 years ago? Like thatā€™s never been relevant before in the history of mankind?

Also how can you know that Titanforging is a great gear progression system if you donā€™t have anything to compare it to?

You know the advantages and the purposes of this system has been explained numerous times already. If you canā€™t accept them then no amount of repeating them is going to help.

And in response to this.

No, not everyoneā€™s complains are their own personal problems. But when you set yourself a goal which in your mind is unobtainable, it makes no sense not to just set a more realistic one for yourself if that is what drives your happiness.

I collect mounts and pets. If I say to myself I have to have every mount in the game and some of them are extremely hard to get, I donā€™t ask blizzard to adjust the game so I can get them, I just ask myself if the time and effort is worth it. If it isnā€™t, if I will make myself unhappy in the process I just say, nah I am not going to do that.

Compared to the gear progression systems of pervious expansions, do you feel like Titanforging is better or worse? Thatā€™s all Iā€™m trying to ask here.

Thatā€™s called a strawman. Itā€™s where you make up things in your head to argue with that the person youā€™re debating with didnā€™t actually say. Which is funny because he explicitly stated that forging wasnā€™t a progression system. Itā€™s built on top of a progression system to give a small chance to get better than baseline progression rewards. Progression is the same as itā€™s always been, lfr -> normal -> heroic -> mythic, and since legion M+, and pvp seems to have a decent item progression too though Iā€™m not a fan of duel in a box so Iā€™ll leave that to pvpā€™ers to approve of or complain about.

See above, forging is not a progression system. Deeeerp!

Here, Iā€™ll even quote his response to you that he said aboveā€¦ reading is hard!

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I agree that itā€™s not a progression system. I was responding to the guy who said that we want to remove the progression system for non raiders (obviously referring to Titanforging). Read the whole back and forth.

Except thatā€™s not what he said. He was talking broadly about the positions of a specific person. I quoted explicitly what you said and you very clearly tried to claim he made a point he did not make. I didnā€™t snip out anything, all the context is there.

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Here is the quote again. In their back and forth about removing Titanforging. All I was asking is if he thinks BFA with Titanforging is a better progression system for non raiders than what we had in pervious expansions where we didnā€™t have Titanforging. I feel like thatā€™s not out of line to ask.

Did he say titanforging there? He already explicitly answered your question and said your assumption that he was talking about forging was wrong. And yet you keep hammering at him, asking the same stupid question over and over. You look like a fool.

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We are in a thread about Titanforging so I guess I assumed he was being on topic. I guess he could have been talking about pet battle gear progression??

I donā€™t understand whatā€™s wrong with my question either. Iā€™ve never been a non raider, so Iā€™m just trying to get someoneā€™s perspective of why these players think this system is better. The only answers Iā€™ve gotten are that I look like a fool and that itā€™s not relevant lol. Why doesnā€™t he or you just explain why itā€™s a superior system?

lol, youā€™re ridiculous. Weā€™re past that part. You already made that assumption. And he already responded and clarified with you that your assumption was wrong. So why do you keep asking him the same question over and over again after you know your assumption was wrong? Stop being intentionally dense.

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I will answer you from my perspective why titanforging is good for a non raider. It makes gearing less boring.

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How was gear boring for you before Titanforging?

Because your question is stupid. Youā€™re asking about forging, which is not a progression system, and asking if itā€™s superior to a progression system from previous expansion. They arenā€™t comparable because they donā€™t serve the same function. The question doesnā€™t have an answer because itā€™s not rational.

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