Titanforging and Warforging make me upset

[Sharaice-stormrage]

I would hope that even casual subs want a challenge when playing a game.

There is no challenge to sitting and pushing keys on a keyboard!

The twitch stream had a lot of people playing attention. I doubt they were all hardcore raiders.

That doesn’t mean they are paying subs! I watch a lot of stuff on twitch but don’t play any of the games of the stuff I watch.

Raiding has been core to this game since MC came out. It is what made WoW so much better then other MMO’s the ability to actually have end game content and finish.

Only raiders think that! There has been a few MMO’s that catered to the more hardcore raider scene. But they didn’t make it for long. And the ones that did make it are as uninviting as ever. WoW has always been casual friendly and that’s something you fail to understand.

You push the raiding community out of this game it will die.

Only raiders think that!

So to close this out. If you are harmed by what I have or how I got what I have in any way. Deal with it! It’s not under your control and it never will be. I don’t care what you have or how you got it ( in game or irl ). So if you want to base your worth against what I have it’s going to be a one way street.

[Jalen-emerald-dream (Jalën)]

The game isn’t dying

coughs up drink

There is no challenge to sitting and pushing keys on a keyboard!

Only if you’ve done LFR. Normal as well to a much less degree.

[Sharaice-stormrage]

Only if you’ve done LFR. Normal as well to a much less degree.

And this is what’s wrong with you all. You think what you’re doing in a video game take effort. Or even better is a challenge or takes work. That’s sad!

[Jalen-emerald-dream (Jalën)]

And this is what’s wrong with you all. You think what you’re doing in a video game take effort. Or even better is a challenge or takes work. That’s sad!

You don’t have the background to make such claims cause you haven’t done anything difficult. The only sad thing is this troll that you seem to be doing.

[Celyda-stormrage]

You don’t have the background to make such claims cause you haven’t done anything difficult. The only sad thing is this troll that you seem to be doing.

You have no idea what I have done. But you would be correct about video games because it’s not difficult

sitting and pushing keys on a keyboard!

[Avagon-sisters-of-elune]

My position is that they don’t regardless of what one specific item could possibly forge to, except possibly normal raiders. Non-raiders will never equal the ilvl of heroic or mythic raiders. Normal raiders will get to their cap faster than non-raiders do. Non-raiders will catch up over several months of doing the darkshore warfront, darkshore world boss, emissary quests, and weekly quests. Both will cap out ~395, presuming the normal raider doesn’t move into heroic content. In the meantime Heroic raiders will get to ~405 over that same timeframe due to forging and Mythic raiders will get to 415+. M+ has a scaling reward system that is intended to serve as an alternative method of progression to raiding.

That’s the bottom line here. You’re being hyperbolic and complaining about a theoretical but something that never actually comes to pass in reality. But I do like how you had to point at someone doing M+ as being the best geared when they intentionally made M+ a comparable progression to raiding, presuming I accept the claim as true. It only goes to support my point though. Show me a single person who doesn’t use any of the progression systems (i.e. M+, raiding, PvP) who’s over 400 ilvl. But you can’t do that. Because they don’t actually exist. You’re too busy crying about how items could theoretically all forge and they could be better! Or about how one specific item forged and omg that’s such an insult to you even though the person is still sub 400 ilvl! Excuse me while I laugh a lot.

[Tridiak-barthilas (Tridiak)]

My opinion : WF yes. TF = WF + 1-2 sockets.
Mythic gear reserved for mythic raiders or maybe high M+ keys who make the timer.

If you don’t do high heroic/mythic/high M+, why do you need the gear.

PvP problem could be solved as other people have stated, PvP vendors with some conquest currency.

Getting heroic/mythic gear by simply AFKing is really, really stupid.

[Jalen-emerald-dream (Jalën)]

You have no idea what I have done.

Don’t need to really. You made that clear when you made that first statement.

[Celyda-stormrage]

You have no idea what I have done.

Don’t need to really. You made that clear when you made that first statement.

You have a boring life without WoW.

[Jalen-emerald-dream (Jalën)]

You have a boring life without WoW.

Resorting to IRL shots on proves my point further.

[Avagon-sisters-of-elune]

You do realize the IRL shot was fired when you claimed a game was “work” or “required effort” right? lol

[Jalen-emerald-dream (Jalën)]

You do realize the IRL shot was fired when you claimed a game was “work” or “required effort” right? lol

That makes no sense. You continue to make no sense in your posts

[Dalistar-area-52 (Dalistar)]

If you believe this game is getting more popular you’re delusional. If this game was so popular why would Blizzard for the first time in 15 years of this game send out a survey asking players what they need to improve on? The developers know this game has warts and they know they are hemorrhaging subs. Acting like nothing is wrong because you enjoy the game in its current form doesn’t mean there are issues. WoW is not as popular as it was even in MoP. It has steadily declined since WoD. The only thing that has changed since MoP is the challenge of play. If you think that the game today is as challenging and fun as it was just six years ago then you aren’t paying attention.

And this is what’s wrong with you all. You think what you’re doing in a video game take effort. Or even better is a challenge or takes work. That’s sad!

The best games are challenging and fun that require some teamwork some actual effort. Even a game like candy crush requires you to think a little bit. You’re the type of person that feels people should get participation awards for showing up. Give kids a trophy for coming in last place, seriously what is going on here? WoW up to WoD had a certain level of challenge and the subs proved it was popular. Even casuals enjoyed WoW before WoD. I’m a casual player now and I despise LFR and warfronts. A five year old child could figure them both out. Even with my limited play time I would like a challenge, I would like to think, I don’t want to do mindless activities for a unearned reward.

[Celyda-stormrage]

You only prove I’m right the more you troll the threads of a game you no longer play! That is a boring existence!

[Jalen-emerald-dream (Jalën)]

I know, not the brightest bulb in the bunch. I shouldn’t expect you to get such simple concepts.

I mean I can make the same remark. You don’t think before posting anything. You just respond to be antagonistic. You’d find a way to argue 1+1=2.

You only prove I’m right the more you troll the threads of a game you no longer play! That is a boring existence!

You can only claim troll because you can’t refute logic.

[Avagon-sisters-of-elune]

I’m a casual player now and I despise LFR and warfronts. A five year old child could figure them both out. Even with my limited play time I would like a challenge, I would like to think, I don’t want to do mindless activities for a unearned reward.

I like how you changed from “waaaah I quit, I’m not even playing this game anymore!” to “I’m a casual guys!” Really makes your claims seem legit.

[Dalistar-area-52 (Dalistar)]

I don’t play anymore that doesn’t mean I don’t have hope changes will be made that will bring me back to the game and my friends. I’m not subbed but I hope Blizz wakes up and stops with this welfare system for gear that people like you love.

[Celyda-stormrage]

You can only claim troll because you can’t refute logic.

When you use actual logic let me know. And it’s not a claim it’s a fact. You are trolling a forum of a game you don’t play!

That is a boring existence!

[Avagon-sisters-of-elune]

So which one is it? Are you a casual? Or are you a quitter? Because you can’t be both

[Stormspellz-mugthol (Stormspellz)]

gotta peddle the company line we understand, but its really is a horrible system, wf/tf it removes any joy of gearing up because its all random, content? ha who cares because harder content doesn’t mean better gear any more, no sense of achievement