The chest loot should’ve never changed from current heroic tier quality IMO.
I never was current heroic level.
It was actually.
In legion the chest scaled by your progess. If you had 10 boss kills (any boss) on Herioc you got a herioc chest, same with Mythic.
All the raid boxes did this including the 4 mythics one, and the followers mission box and all were normal base.
Nothing wrong with that system. Zero ways to complain that I can see.
Its only 1 a week, and its time consuming content. The argument that WQers dont need normal gear, falls flat on its face with that system. Its giving everyone rewards that are relevant to their skill level, and content they play in, to do content that is annoying and time consuming. It did not provide loot that you couldn’t obtain anyways.
The only people that would argue against such a system, are the actual casuals that call everyone else a casual.
If you get on and raid 2 nights a week and don’t play outside of that, you should have less opportunity for loot than someone who plays 12 hours a day, everyday. However by stripping all gear from everything but raids, it goes back to raid only and then dont play. The only thing even mildly preventing that atm is M+. Even that barely works. I know a ton of people who play for 3 hours 3 days a week and are geared to the teeth.
This is an MMO time played is supposed to mean something. However the “Elitists” who are actually casuals, want to cry that only Raid bosses and End of Week M+ should award good gear, so they can play 9 hours a week and have the best of everything.
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No, it didn’t. That was the WoD table.
TW in legion always gave normal no matter what you did.
I just leveled my warrior to 120 and I can say for sure that TW loot is excellent for gearing brand new characters. It’s higher ilvl than heroics and the weekly reward is very helpful.
Also, I can confirm these BC dungeons aren’t terribly difficult. I wiped maybe 2 or 3 times out of dozens of runs while leveling from 80-120, and all those wipes were from overpulling in Arcatraz (invisible Succubuses, and the Eredar room).
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It’s good for my alts so I’m all for it. Hell, depending on what it is, it might be good for my Rogue since I’m too lazy to do a whole lot lol.
It’s good for alts tho
Timewalking is a seasonal tour bus of old/expired content that no longer matters = crappy reward, lfr is a tour bus you can afk through = crappy reward, normal is for those that are getting into raiding and isn’t much more difficult than lfr and you can’t afk it = starter/welfare gear, heroic is where most get hard stuck but still every piece of content here gives you a reward for it’s worthiness in moving up to the next progression cycle, Timewalking is not difficult, the players that you get in timewalking make it that. The game has shifted towards the player, players no longer have to adapt and better themselves to shift to the game, it’s embarrassing.
In 3 months, none of your gear will be relevant anymore.
I’ll say that it has been worth it for my warlock, which I’m leveling. I’ve achieved 10+ levels and almost a entirely new set of gea; plus the added rep has been a nice addition.
It was not the WoD table, as I never played WoD.
It 100% scaled from ALL content in Legion. Look it up.
Its the only reason I even ever bothered with follower missions.
@Glaivedancer
First off all, Prepatch and SL is MUCH further out than 3 months. Try 6.
Secondly, thats okay. The gear is needed now to do content now, the reward is in the playing of the game, not the gear given, the gear makes it easier, or in my case pvp more equal to have fun.
@Saeba
Well right off the bat “Timewalking is not Diffucult” maybe for the Dungeons, I would agree the players make it that way.
Again haven’t done it as of late, but my Mythic Antorous FC raider friends, couldn’t even get to illidan when TW BT came out so I would rethink that statement. I do believe its been nerfed several times since then however.
Anyway moving on.
It has nothing to do with “Skill” of which is truly in your imagination but rather time spent. There should be a element of difficulty, for sure on that we agree on. Mythic awarding the best gear ect, is fine and should be that way 100%.
The issue is once again, that you should be able to rewarded for the time spent in the TW content, with relevant to you rewards.
No one is saying give LFR players Mythic loot.
However I actually liked the WF/TF system personally. I dont care if someone in LFR gets a mythic piece, doesn’t affect me.
What I do care about is the fact that I prefer to actually play the game. Not do a Herioc/Mythic raid and then log out for the rest of the week.
In the WF/TF people, myself included, felt obligated to do Normal even if we no longer needed to. Why, because there was a chance, however slight that we could get that lucky TF.
Now that is gone, and what is the outcome? For me personally after returning just recently, I have gotten very lucky to get most of my drops by now, I got AOTC, I am targeting a boss or 2, that I need and doing a key or 2, again targeting the keys I need.
Then what? Well for me, I currently am behind on essences and cloak resistance, and OFC corrruptions till Mother brings them back. So I been catching those up. I needed the Naz followers, needed flyint so revered with Mech and Naz, need BoD so revered with Uldum.
Over the last few weeks those tedium have been done. I have less and less to do now. Mechagon is done, cool unless there is CTA I dont step foot there. Naz will be done tomorrow, same with Uldum, so those are now less daily to do.
TW is a waste of my time. Normal is a waste of my time dailys for what? Paragon for a chance at mounts I will never use? Waste of time, Achievements? Meaningless, Farm gold? For what? I am well off in game and RL, if I need gold I will just buy it. Arena, yep thats what I am here for but my partners came back later, and are still playing catchup to me and everyone else to really push.
So what do I do now? I do my Herioc Bosses, that I am pinpointing, because the game allows that. I get ny personal loot, because the game drops more pieces than ever. I do my Keys that I care to do, and wait. If I was a only PVER I would unsub till SL, or start doing Mythic and then logging out after raid night, to get back on for the next raid night. Stay on for an hour extra each night for my vision, and assaults ect.
That is NOT healthy for the game. Its not fun and it rewards Causual Gameplay. I do not care what you do in your 6-9 hours a week, if you play 6-9 hours a week your a causual.
In older xpacs, there was avenues to improve outside of a raid, as has been mentioned the Valor farm for upgrading pieces in MOP great system BTW. That gave me a reason to do those heriocs, to do that normal, to do that LFR.
How about Cata and before? Valor was worthless to raiders, to high level PVPers, that was fine because we had Alts. We had the ability to have Alts, as there was not this borrowed power bull crap. I could do my raid on main, hop an alt and do it again and work on them, or cap their valor/conquest to get gear.
The game in its current state is awarding doing the raid and logging out. That is NOT a good thing. Thats not from complaints of skill awarding better gear, its the complaints of Causal Elitists, who want everyone else to only play 9 hours a week because that is all they can play, or wish to. Death to the “No Lifers” Causual Skill wins all.
I have alot of free time, as a small business owner. I like to spend it in games with my friends. However while doing so i woild much rather actually have something to do. Going back to sitting in the city trolling trade, as there is nothing else to do is not appeasing.
Its funny as all the constant complaining about how Blizz pushing Playtime Metrics but they really aren’t. They are pushing to stay subbed longer, nope again.
As a matter of fact my HC PVE friends just told me last night they got 1-2 more weeks of raidjng mythic and then their entire guild is unsubbing till SLs. They have nothing to do.
This is not Dark Souls. The game shouldn’t end after you beat hardmode a few times, thats not the point here. The complaint of reward only skilled players, you people need to just go play Dark Souls. MMOs are about a mix of time played + difficulty. Not just difficulty there should be no “Beat the game” will return for the next DLC.
Legion had one on the follower table yes, but that was not related to the TW event.
Every 2 weeks you would get a mission to go kill a boss and get extra loot.
Still nothing to do with the TW event that was always normal ilvl.
Nah, we’re probably looking at prepatch in oct, release in Nov, any later and the whole thing will be mid Jan 2021 which they have not said yet that it is delayed and have said they are still on track for 2020 release.
This always applies. Every time another patch comes out, the previous gear becomes irrelevant. So why not just stop playing?
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Yup, at least since around wrath/cata anyway.
The keyword here is alts and that’s about it. A shame that it’s “only” normal mode cache but… it is what it is. At least they got the balance down nice this time around, hopefully they’ll just copy&paste it to the other upcoming tws.
Perhaps the issue is not that Timewalking rewards are too low, but rather that gear falls from the sky and that gearing is so stupidly fast and easy.
Depends what ilvls alts are at it was worth doing on my 2 new alts not the others
Its a mixture.
That is an issue too, however that doesn’t solve the problem that you guys seem to be missing.
The game discourages alts, and the cries for removal of WF/TF which made the alt discourage okay got that done.
So now we have a system that only rewards doing the raid and a couple of keys and then logging out for the rest of the week.
Thats NOT a good thing.
The game is more forced causual today than its ever been.
That is not because of increased drops (solely) or WF/TF that the Causual Elists complained about.
The issue here is that the people thag love to complain about “Causuals Getting Loot” are in fact causuals. Causual does not mean a lower skilled player. It means a player who plays little. They play, only a small amount you can be 12/12m and still be a causual, as a matter of fact most of the 12/12m players are cuauals. They login to do the raid and log out for the week. They can or only want to play a couple of hours a week, and want the best rewards for it.
In classic you are rewarded mostly for hours played.
In retail you are awarded only for Diffuculty played.
Both of these ways are bad. You should be rewarded for the muxture.
Here’s my question about alts.
You want to gear up your alt. Okay.
And then what? What are you going to DO with it? Or just put it on a shelf and admire it?
Awesome! That’s good news.
More opportunities to gear up and level are always welcome.