Not that I support killing low levels, but isnât it technically competition when you take into consideration World of Warcraft is a game with character progression? You level up for a reason, to become stronger⌠Trust me, Im the type who kills people camping lowbies, but camping lowbies does bring about competition. It brings the personâs main out or brings players like me to hand it to the guy camping.
You may disagree with it, but it still technically is PvP. Sure, it might not be PvP that involves skill because thereâs no skill involved with killing someone whoâs lower level⌠But itâs Player vs Player.
Hmmm, I not a PvPer and I hate it sometimes specially when feel I am missing out on something to progress my character, YES looking at you ESO Cyrodiil, my nemesis!! Not even WvW in GW2 was that asinineâŚ
HOWEVER, I have enjoy War Mode with my friends from time to time! Its unbalance, unfair, unpredictable and just pure Chaos and I love that, because it really checks my RPG boxes with how I always thought an open War in a fantasy magic world could be!
Itâs like the big Battle Grounds, GW2 WvW and Cyrodiil the biggest army wins⌠no amount of gear or skill can help you when you have group after group of players hunting you! It feels great IMO⌠BUT only if your in a group of friends⌠IMO outside of that I canât offer an opinion⌠Iâm not a PvPer and I donât do much PvP unless its with my friends in Warmode or Huge Battlegrounds.
However I would never invest my time in it without friends to make it at best fun and worst bearable its not made for me honestly, I never had the reflexes or patience to play it well.
The only time I really enjoy it was in Legion where armor didnât matter, it felt fair and as overpowered as DH were you could still die if you got cocky, which I did a few time, got my butt Legendarily whooped by a Taurent Warrior and a party group of new players that had REALLY good/powerful healer that attack me while I was doing a PvP world quest! (I will never forget it was such an epic fight, even as I lost it felt good and fair, for me getting cocky, tame my inner PvP Demon lol!)
YET somehow the players found ways to broke that scaling system of PvP too, as crazy as it might sound all you needed to do is gear up with trash gear and the scaling system did the rest!
After PvP armor sets were re-introduce I drop it⌠never was really interested beside some cosmetics⌠and I lost interest in that as more better looking cosmetics were brought up and Artifact weapons and Mage Tower appearances became unavailable to try and get with other alts.
TO SUM UP: My personal option on PvP in MMO and stuff like War Mode? Itâs nice game mode to have for does who want or love to play it⌠to me itâs a nice âoptionalâ niche content to have and WoW gameplay makes it a lot of fun. So I think itâs a moderate success or almost a winner IMO, no MMO is is perfect and that counts double for PvP. I have a friend that only PvP in the class that he finds is broken on that season⌠you will never find him on a Class that is fair or balance, funny enough to give you a irl example of people i hang out with that do PvP regularly.
If my blood and skill for PvP ever reaches the level of a hardcore players I have other game I would like to try my skills like a Heroes of the Storm or Smite⌠I would not do it on an MMO, as IMO I wonât feel like a real PvPer if I canât even play in a dedicated PvP game and be at least moderately good at it. MMO PvP is for fun, if I want it to get competitive Iâll go do it somewhere else dedicated to that only, IMO.
Not entirely. Part of what makes PvP is that there is retaliation, which is also what makes it a competition. So if the player in question who was ganked by the higher level does not retaliate by logging into their main to fight the max level killing them, then there is no competition and time has been wasted by both parties in that regard.
Just because you willingly defend the lowbies doesnât mean everyone does. One persons actions does not dictate how terminology is defined for video games. Player Versus Player implies that both parties are fighting each other. If the person doesnât fight back, then itâs no longer, then itâs no longer PvP. Itâs just a slaughter.
The people most upset arenât about competition. The are moaning about the lack of a stupidliy unbalanced server that allows them to gank at will with zero risk to themselves. They cannot do that anymore since one side is no long 90% of the player population.
War mode = PvP server where everybody not interested in PvP has transferred to another server.
I think this all sums up to⌠what my PvP friends said to me once about Warmode:
Kill anything that moves, Warmode players are willing victiâer PvPersâŚ(laughts)
âAfter killing a newbie, low gear PvPers and getting slaughtered by a bunch of mad Horde Players that camp him until he had to retreatâ
He sighted and said; âMan I do miss PvP servers were there was nowhere to hide and by the time a real challenged came I already had my fill with PvP and ready to log satisfy with my kill countâ
Not saying every player has this mentality but maybe this is the case for a some like my blood thirsty PvP hunter friend!
He did enjoy a LOT being mark as an Assassin, he said the Adrenaline was pick ecstasy and wish you could get more from staying alive and surviving the wave after wave of players coming in to get to defeat him! Shame as seasons of PvP pass and people gear up I had to drop out, I was getting one shotted left and right, was becoming a hinderance with my raid/gear than any help! 
War Mode is just about as unbalanced as PvP servers were. I donât think the complaining is about âa lack of people to gankâ as you put it. Itâs just for some individuals, it feels that PvP servers were a better system for WPvP than War Mode is for them.
Part of the reason is because of the balanced PvP server communities. Take a look at⌠I donât know, Emerald Dream. Pretty balanced server, and when War Mode was introduced, it destroyed years worth of PvP server communities.
Sharding in War Mode works different than it does for non WM, and it can make the world feel dead depending how lucky you are with it. They need to fix the sharding to fix these issues. You can have dead shard on X realm and another dead shard on Y realm⌠Makes no sense, just merge the two, fill in the empty space. People do miss competition in WPvP.
I myself am not saying I want PvP servers back, but I can be understand why some players like OP are saying they want PvP servers back.
To this, I say:
Whyâd they choose a PvP server to begin with if they werenât interested in PvP. It honestly sounds like a player created issue.
Theyâre trying to suggest all pvp server populations tilt to one faction or another until its an overwhelming advantage. This does happen - in cata classic right now, Benediction is overwhelmingly alliance and Faerlina is overwhelmingly horde. This kind of thing is inevitable but the folks who complain about that forget about more balanced pop servers like Grobb, or that blizzard has the option to merge servers and simply reset those pops.
It certainly does suck to be the underdog on a server where 90% of the players are your enemy, but horde from Bene are some of the better killers in the cross server BGs while the alliance Bennyâs are almost universally twerps in every cross faction experience. Itâs almost like the populations settle in to what they want to be.
As for camping lowbies, I am beginning to think this argument is from people who hate pvp and want to punish people simply out of spite, since itâs not a large part of engagements on existing pvp servers. Drive by killings of lower levels that arenât paying attention just happen. Itâs part of growing up. Itâs not the same as jerks setting out to ruin someoneâs day and trying to force a lowbie to log. In my experience thatâs fairly rare.
The progression is what kills the âpvpâ concept entirely.
If you are 40 levels higher than me and cant even damage you, there is no competition that real PvP is supposed to be.
personally, they should make it so ONLY max level characters can participate in random world âpvpâ so no one can be harassed for hours by juveniles with nothing to doâŚand your opponent has a fighting chance to end you, thus making it real PvP.
That might have been a thing 15 years ago or in classic but that isnt the case in retail anymore and we both know it.
IF it were, Id be less inclined to feel the way i do about gankers because the argument could be just thatâŚtheyre trying to provoke a gang war and THAT is the motivation for their behavior.
We BOTH know that isnt true in retail currently.
They gank because they are too afraid to fight EQUAL opponents because they know they aint skilled enough to do anything but loseâŚand they enjoy ruining someone elses game OR CAMP GANKING wouldnt exist.
And, nicely enough, CAN actually move back to that âpvp serverâ if theyre in the mood for itâŚwhich is very nice to have as an option
I litearlly get jumped by premades if I turn WMON, what are you about, PVP was never fair, or at least I never experienced it being fair.
I mean, this is sort of the case for lowbies who are in Chromie Time War Mode. Theyre sharded away from players level 60+ because they canât enter a Chromie Time shard normally.
I donât necessarily mind this, because World Defense no longer works, but Iâll go more into that below.
To an extent, itâs not the case, but for reasons that Blizzard are responsible for. For example, World Defense channel was broken in WoD and removed because of sharding technology. World Defense played a huge role in allowing players to come to a lowbies defense, now that itâs gone, itâs harder to do so.
Still though, itâs somewhat a thing in current expansion zones. Whenever lowbies say theyâre being ganked in Waking Shores and Iâm in Waking Shores, Iâll go to where ever they need help and kill the camper. Itâs not just me, many others do this. I often talk to some of these campers through the use of Elixir of Tongues, and 90% of the time they say, âI killed lowbies to bring the max levels here.â
yeah, Im probably overboard with that one, lol.
Just I really have nothing but abject contempt for gankers.
Iâll be honest. Ive witnessed ganking in gameâŚI yet to see a single time where this seems to have happened except the ONE time two clowns kept harassing my wife and I logged into an overly geared alt and toasted them both.
Other than that, I cant say I see any evidence of it happeningâŚwould be cool if it did though, in retail, that is.
As a side note, what would you call it if the game is rigged by one player so that their opponent CANNOT beat them in that game, that they are guaranteed to win?
In EVERY case weâd deem rigging the details so youre guaranteed to beat your oppoenent as âcheatingâ would we not?
The rule maker here doesnt define it AS âcheatingâ in this particular case, but the principle itself remains.
If I ârigâ the situation in my favor so I CANNOT lose, cheating becomes an obvious concept.
the ONLY difference HERE in this game is that its allowed.
It certainly doesnt negate the concept itself, however.
So what we have is a group of players who, in ANY OTHER setting, would be defined AS âcheatersâ for their behavior. lol
Thatâs unfortunate. I WPvP almost every day, and I see it happen quite a bit in Dragon Isles. It does suck that World Defense was removed though because Iâll admit that this no longer really happens in the old world, such as Ashenvale or something. No one would know unless you told a friend or someone in your guild.
I guess it depends on how theyâre rigging something and the context itâs being used⌠If theyâre using something that makes them invisible while they attack or completely immune to everything, thatâs straight up cheating.
If theyâre in a large group in WPvP or if they are using world buffs, I would just call that someone using something to their advantage. In this scenario, someone can, if they want to, do the same thing and bring more players or buff up themselves. World PvP has always sort of been about using whatever you can to your advantage, whether that be consumables, buffs, or even having the larger group. Part of the competition is seeing who has more game knowledge than the other, and of course, whoâs the better skilled player when both parties are using the same thing.
soooo same state it pretty much has been since week one when i started my first account? PVE game with the ability to PVP i believed were the exact words used to describe it when people left EQ for WowâŚ
really? well thats certainly good news to hear. maybe there ARE still some player in this game who arent entirely self serving and useless lol. I would have figured youâd have to be in a guild and your guildies would have to come running for anything like this these days.
ohâŚI seeâŚI should have kept reading before responding lol.
Yeah, I can see the guild thing being a top notch choice for this sort of stuff.
I wish I could commit to a guild but my life is so randomly chaotic and I certainly dont want to have them relying on me and let them down over my schedule here.
you know, I very much appreciate your honesty in this.
Most of them would have found some way to try to dismiss it and plug their ears, but you seem very much willing to look at things with the logical mindset.
AgreeâŚin this context its not âcheatingâ because no rule defines it as such.
Its just in my mind if Im doing something KNOWINg there is ZERO way for my opponent to win, that is cheatingâŚif not against the game rules themselves, its cheating my target and its cheating MYSELF of any dignity I would have had from actually fighting a worthy opponent.
What are you whining about? You won! You drove all your adversaries into submission and sent them running! Not everyone shares in your blood lust. Most people donât enjoy being someoneâs punching bag, go figure.
Iâm sorry you had a bad experience. WM is pretty trash, I agree. I would like a pvp server.