Interesting, that’s very counter to how it was for me on my mage. Killing Karam was followed by a relatively quick death.
He is trying to convince me that the Raest enrage mechanic is intentional and we are meant to have to deal with it and that is the fight design.
He has never made it to that phase of the fight or killed Karam to see what it is REALLY like and see that it isn’t the “correct” way to do it based on it’s original design in Legion.
I’m trying to convince him that I did it in Legion and it is not intended to take that long to have to kill Karam and force his enrage…back in legion you did 40% health, 40% health, then burned the final 20% while kiting Karam and doing mechanics
Its tuned to roughly heroic tier for next patch and the scaling system is busted thats why got people getting ilv 60 and below items.
Yeah I’d imagine mage gets melted.
the fight was longer than many from back then, if it was cheesing the fight, it was the least cheesy method there was.
I’ve also seen people claim it was impossible without the lego ring, which i dont believe, but haven’t really looked into.
I mean… the person I was discussing with has already stated that killing karam is the only way, and that was the issue, so why do i have to go and repeat that?
And killing karm removes the primary source of threat to you. he one shots you if he gets close… so if he dies you would need another relevant threat.
different spec, whole different story imo.
kind of like how bears have to aoe interrupt caster but pallies dont.
come on, i posted a video doing exactly that in legion.
Why are you blatantly ignoring that?
Lock ring with seeds of corruption you slowed/nuked the adds with 2 shots and slowed the twins and faceless. Dot Dot dead GG.
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i know how it worked, you’ve basically said nothing here.
I did it without the legendary ring. It is entirely possible without it. I’d still call it at best a massive crutch, and at worst a clear cheese.
I’d say the same of their tankiness as well. Seeing as they were utterly gutted going into BfA… I’m going to go with Blizzard not intending them to get that out of hand. Or are we going to say that having dps so tanky that they literally stand in Mythic difficulty bad was intended?
Oh? I was under the impression that Dettocs was stating that you weren’t supposed to kill karam first? That’s when I joined this discussion, in your response to Dettocs. And from my experience (and the Method guide) the recommendation is to burn Raest. Why? because Raest enrages without karam and quickly kills you.
If a priest can in fact out heal the raest enrage that’s fair. My impression was that they couldn’t. So while there’s a different spec, that doesn’t change the fact that you’re still intended to kill Raest first.
I actually said alot the difference with or with out is literal night and day.
Aff has the profile, the problem is it’s dependent on borrowed power we don’t have access to, and the class is currently designed around.
MT should honor borrowed power right now, because borrowed power is absolutely integral to current class design. Anyone who says otherwise is high.
I am not ignoring it, I just know from being there and doing it back then that this was not how it was done. I didn’t know it was possible to do it that way back then, I acknowledge that, but that doesn’t mean that was the “intended way” for it to be done because the way that person did it was prolly 1 in 1000, if not 1 in 10000…it was done back then by nuking Raest by 40% each of his active phases and then the final 20% in the FINAL phase 5.
I did it back then, I beat it back then, we had MUCH different toolkits and were god like live lords back then.
I am not going to debate with you any longer, not until you have went into the encounter yourself, got to that phase and killed Karam and then felt the Enrage SB hits for 25% of your life each hit, and killed him by outhealing his “obviously designed that way” MASSIVE 25% Shadowbolts. As it stands you have self admittedly not even made it to killing Karam yet speak like you know more than those that did it 3 years ago and those that have put in hundreds of attempts currently
Thank you, i can now safely say that the ring was not mandatory as others have stated.
yes that was his claim. but with the health values they are at now, that apparently is just not possible. but this was based on how he thought the only way to be done in legion was. I have posted proof that killing karam was possible in legion.
the mage towers from what i have experienced are not dependent on borrowed power. can you describe areas where it clear that borrowed power is mandatory, mechanics that are impossible to deal with, with current kits?
and you’re letting your personal history blind your ability to judge the current mage tower as is.
YA, that is what I was trying to convince him of, that the fight is not meant to kill Karam first and try to live through Raest enrage shadowbolts…but he thinks if the SB don’t one shot you then it’s an intended mechanic and we are supposed to kill Karam first and deal with the enraged shadowbolt casts
From my experience, if either of their health values need to change… it’s Karams. Not Raests. If Raest was brought down to 60k… I’d have killed him in my first burn phase. Literally.
So while you’re using their health as an indicator of whether they’re possible or not… I’m telling you that if we actually went by that method… Karam should be buffed… not Raest nerfed.
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Karam already has the stacking buff, buffing the health only demands more damage while not changing any timeline. whats the intent with buffing karams health? extending that phase?
Shadow priest’s lack of slows come to mind, Surv and Fury had better burst aoe for the icicles. Healers had much better tools for the final phase of their encounter. Tanks had better damage through their artifacts for Kruul.
It doesn’t have to make the encounter impossible to be a clear design flaw with the remake.
Source: I did almost every single mage tower when it was current content.
The mage tower is not designed for modern classes. It’s designed for legion classes with double legendaries + borrowed power. I shouldn’t have to explain why the current rehash is badly designed.
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I’m not blind, I have seen this fight in multiple different expansions…you might want to rethink who is blind. I don’t mean to offend, but you have no idea firsthand of what you speak of, you have not done the fight that far and killed Karam yet you speak like have and you know best
Yes. In other words, if you’re going to do anything in regards to health… I’d change that. Or… just change nothing, because it’s fine as it is.
And it’s not impossible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUYMEI-3nkE&ab_channel=TheRealFaolan
So this entire discussion is sorta moot.
An encounter doesn’t have to be impossible to be blatantly overtuned.
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