Thwarting the Twins: Raest Magespear

It does… it enrages Raest making his shadow bolt do more damage than you can heal/barrier through. It isn’t an instant-kill mechanic, but it is a mechanic that’s designed to overcome you relatively quickly. That’s the fight telling you that, you’re supposed to kill Raest first.

That being said, it isn’t always wrong to trigger a soft enrage. If Karam is fast enough that he is GOING to catch you regardless… you have to kill him, and then do what you can to kill Raest before he overwhelms you.

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He was 150-160k for frost IIRC. It was ~3x that of Karam who was at 50kish.

That’s not how fight designs have ever worked from what i can recall. Things that cause an enrage mechanic after a specific target has died means that enrage is meant to happen.

Maybe it was by a certain few people, that video does show it being done, but in general it was easy to get Raest to 60% then 20% in his initial phases and only have to burn 20% while kiting the adds and Karam without killing him…as well as warlocks having a completely different toolkit then and a lot of things built in that we dont have at all now

woah woah now.

Excuse me now, I do think you owe me a bit more than that.

or it means you weren’t supposed to do that…now you will pay! lol :slight_smile:

If we’re going to be entirely fair… you posted… a legion aff lock doing that. Legion aff locks were ridiculously tanky. Like… obscenely tanky… like so tanky that our locks literally just stood in the bad of M Coven as they flatout outhealed the damage. So while that may have been a viable strat… I wouldn’t say it was the intended strat.

More like… it wasn’t tuned well to kill locks. Well… now it is tuned well to kill you.

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Sure… and some enrages are stronger than others. A 30% enrage? Ya… I agree, not supposed to kill you. You’re supposed to deal with it. A 500% enrage? Ya… I’d say that’s supposed to kill you.

And seeing as… you pretty much die if you stayed in range… I’m going to go with this raest enrage was the latter rather than the former.

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Does the encounter still end when Raest dies? I always just zerged him down as hard as I could at the very end. I accidentally sync killed on the mage during the first week.

Yes. Kill Raest it ends. You can kill Karam and Raest or just Raest if you can continue juggling Karam et al.

because he said that no legion lock ever did that ever… I sort of have to post a legion lock.

but why not, it sounds to me like the lock at the time had all the tools needed to do the fight in that way.

really depends on what that 500% is affecting. with karam dead, im pretty sure some mechanics stop right? the hand thingy?
So raest does shadowbolt, it really depends how much damage was done before to evaluate if the 500% enrage is meant to outright kill you, or if it meant to be handled.

YA, it ends when he dies, but affy locks don’t ahve the ST damage profile anymore to even make a good dent in his life in the middle active phases. pop all CDs and can barely do 20% each time.

His encounter health is different for all the different specs doing it, some are 70k Raest health lower than affy has his health beginning the fight.

I got my Transmog I wanted from it but his health tuning is still wrong and taht is the issue for a lot of the specs that have his encounter…it’s not mechanics or Karam health, it’s solely Raest health that got a stealth buff instantly when the event hit live servers

Fair, just giving context to that discussion though.

I mean… I’d also say that their legendary ring also trivialized the fight. That’s more like you pointing out a great way to cheese the fight, sorta like how people were running out of range of raest to heal up in between his shadowbolts.

Go kill karam, and try to heal through it then. If you can’t… it’s meant to kill you. And if a mechanic requires a 500% damage amp to become meaningful… why is that even a mechanic?

From my experience last night, if I maintained 100% up time on Ice barrier, I could tank Raests regular shadowbolts and would lose 5-10% health in between barrier casts necessitating a health pot near the end of the fight. The second I killed Karam… Raest 2 shot me. Through a barrier.

If that doesn’t say “kill Raest first” to you, then I’m not sure what else there is to say.

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When he enrages EACH shadowbolt will hit you for 25% of your life…that is MASSIVE

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Shadow Priests are just lucky we have somewhat of a decent heal/damage red kit to take that p5 fight a bit further and Live long enough to go the kill karam first route.

Oh? We’re having a discussion about this right now. Are you able to heal through Raest’s enrage?

I would love to even see his enrage.

Keep at it! It’s meant to be a challenge after all!

Last night I definitely had the feeling of “ok… maybe I just can’t do this yet” but pushed through and clawed/lanced/orbed that final 20% down to get it!

You got this! :smiley:

Yes. As long as Raest is about 50% when we kill Karam. You should have the tools and mana to outlast and kill him in time before you have nothing left.

Nahhhhhhhhh