I don’t believe mindbender/shadowfiend is directable with a reticle.
I have
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it seems quite apparent to me that it was. if you weren’t meant to kill karam, then killing karam would have made the encounter fail or something, but it doesn’t, it transitions the fight into a new enrage phase, like many other enounters.
look i dont know how hard it hits, so this is all just guess work from me, im just calling what i see, and what i see is that it sounds like if it wasn’t meant to work like that, you would die by doing the wrong thing.
that was some very fake math. let me ask you, does your character health determine how fast you can kill something? it was fake math.
Here i posted this somewhere else referencing this thread.
legion
6450732/ 64063512 = 0.1 hand to raest
53553052/64063512 =0.84 karam to raest
shadowland
6075 / 161100 = 0.04 hand to raest
49900 / 161100 = 0.3 karam to raest.
According to my math, shadowlands encounters are pure nerfs of legions.
Look, in shadow lands karam has 30% of raest health, when in legion karam had 84% of raest health. thats about a 40% nerf to karams health.
and in shadowlands the hands have 4 percent of raest health. when in legion the hands have 10% of raests health. Thats about a 40$ nerf to karams health.
Seems like the encounter is 40% easier.
I just took the same numbers and got different results.
This fight was designed back in Legion, I did it back then, anyone that did will tell you that it was never meant to kill Karam and enrage Raest.
He enrages because he is MEANT to kill you if you do the fight wrong…it’s not an instant death but 4 of his attacks will kill you and you are guaranteed to die if you cannot damage him while outhealing all his damage.
The fight was made mechanically like I mentioned in my previous post above, that is what it should be, what it was designed to be, and that is what it was on the PTR until they stealth buffed Raest to have 201k health instead of the 70k he had on PTR
an “instant death” you speak of is known as a “hard enrage”, this is a “soft enrage” that will quickly but not instantly kill you…the same way if it takes you too long to finish the fight Karam has a “soft enrage” of getting faster and faster to outrun your slows and kill you
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in so many other cases, if you do something wrong in the fights you die.
Maybe there is a way to outheal the damage. or can the boss be ccd to buy time.
no, hard enrage is akin to a max time limit, im simply talking about kill mechanics for mistakes.
other challenges have enrage effects. And in so many other cases, people have claimed something to not be possible one way, then eventually found out how to do it.
Just because you did it one way in the past, does not mean that was the only way to do it.
I can’t explain it any differently than what I already have. The fight was not made that way, you would understand if you tried to do it or had done it in Legion.
I said it above, but again, in Legion that fight was made to have 2 active Raest phases and the final active phase when he and Karam were both active at once and all mechanics were happening…in each active phase it was tuned to take out 40% of his life each one and then have 20% left to burn in the “all things at once” final phase…
with this tuning you enter the final “burn” phase with him still having 60%+ life left. They didn’t redesign the fight since Legion, they just have the tuning(more so just Raest health) wrong in this version of it which is causing people to have to force the increased Raest damage enrage which was NEVER even encountered in the Legion fight because it wasn’t the right way to do it.
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Based on how you have responded to this specific comment with your specific response…you have not done this encounter and have no knowledge of how the encounter and mechanics of it function. I mean no offense, I just mean if you knew the encounter you would know these answers already
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this guy kills karam.
sounds like people just never did it the intended way in legion.
I have stated as such, the have tried the boomy one though, which is the same boss, so i know the general mechanics.
I give up, I cannot open your eyes for you.
Yes, that is the ONLY way affy locks can do it in SL…it takes over half the fight time to widdle him down while having to put CoA on adds just so your DL heals enough to keep you alive and thats all you can do…
there were MANY more people around in Legion doing this content than now…a LOT more. There is no way ALL those that did it back in Legion ALL did it wrong.
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Feels like the people who worked on this never actually did the mage tower.
It’s especially bad for spriests, the class is nothing like it used to be. Do you even have a slow outside of mind flay right now? You at least had tentacle procs back then.
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You seem strangely convinced that killing karam was unintended, but you have like… no proof of that.
Again, many fights kill you if you do anything wrong.
The general mass very often copies the known. if someone figured out one way, many people will replicate that knowing its at least possible that way.
I’m not really saying that what was done before was wrong. just a different way to handle the fight.
you however seem 100% convinced without any actual proof, that killing karam is wrong.
Like can you just give an explanation that explain from a design perspective why killing karam is the wrong thing to do.
Dunno… The fight felt very well tuned for my frost mage last night. Haven’t tried it on my SPriest or Lock. If Raest had way less health, then he would’ve died in my first burn phase. If anything I’d say that Karam could have used a bit more health, as the kiting phases seemed a little fast. But Raest less? No…
At least not for frost.
Because it was NOT done this way EVER, guides from back in Legion, every single one, guides from PTR on this version, every single one, had FIVE phases, Karam, Raest, karam, Raest, then both in the “finish the last 20% of Raest life before you get overwhelmed” final 5th phase…there is NEVER a 6th phase of “spend over half the fight length with Raest enraged and him with 60% life left in the final 1/6 of the fight and if you can’t outheal his 25% life taking SB casts you die fast” phase.
You are so adamant that we are wrong, those all here saying it is tuned wrong, frost mages, affy locks, MM hunters, s-priests…ALL saying its wrong, people that did it back in Legion are also wrong, we are all wrong to you adn you have not even made it anywhere near that part of the fight to even know what we are talking about
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Ya, maybe not for frost…his health is massively different for different classes and specs…for some specs i hear he has 150k, for affy he has 201k, others i have heard have even less health.
Kills karam and raest still at 50%.
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I will have to add there was a cheese for warlocks to kill Karam during the first purgatory using mortal coil. Preventing him from channeling purgatory and letting you kill him. Thus allowing the fight to be stuck in p2 (NO hands or runes). It wasn’t a common method bc it was hard but it did occur.
You know that I meant it wasn’t done that way in it’s original state in Legion or even the PTR…it didn’t become this abomination until the stealth health buff for Raest on live release
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Ya, I’m not referring to any cheese strat or breaking of the encounter 
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I posted a legion video where he kills karam. can you respond to that please?
No worries!