Thoughts on melee dps in TBC

I think it’s just the lack of big numbers and a bit of left over stigma. We’re good OT’s, but being an OT really isn’t a glorious job if you want to pump. This goes double for druids.

I soak on patch. I dps grob. I put on heal gear and kite zombie chow on gluth. I tank P1 thaddius. I OT understudies on raz. Gothik I OT adds. I tank the back on 4HM. I heal on Sapph. etc, etc. On half the trash I just stay in caster to throw down FF’s and be ready to go bear and drag anything out of the raid. Being all over the place like that means a typical feral isn’t going to be exactly breaking the meters lol.

My guild managed a 1:46 naxx tonight. Not a world class time, but that’s pretty good, especially being horde. I certainly didn’t hold anyone back.

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I killed him in 2008 with 1 warrior dps, an arms warrior.

Warriors aren’t that gamebreaking in tbc

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lies /11chars

Just watched my old guilds Brutallus kill from TBC. We had me as an Arms Warrior and Landsoul as a Fury Warrior. One Warrior tank and two Druid tanks.

Our DPS was bad.

Poor Landsoul, he was part of that first batch of honorific items in ICC along with Toskk and a few others and his namesake helmet was so bad

In early Vanilla Druids had to make sacrifices in EH to boost threat. Far more than Warriors had to.

By AQ40 Druids didn’t have to make that sacrifice in terms of acquiring +hit…so sacrificed little of their tank profile outside of their weapon.

When I made that comparison I factored in that a Warrior would pursue 305 weapon skill and +hit cap.

After that is done the gap is about 3%. I should have been more clear on that comparison, my bad.

Part of that is the damage. So in top guilds that reduced damage is frowned upon. If a Druids is doing 700 DPS that same Warrior might be dealing 1100 DPS as an example. Technically that Druid could be generating more threat…but if the Warrior has reached that necessary threshold…then that DPS will be considered more important for a speed running guild.

Secondly most aren’t fond of not being able to look at their shinies while they play. Not visually being able to see your rewards and looking at a furry bear butt for many is a letdown…it may only be vanity, but vanity does have it’s place.

Lastly Bears aren’t always needed to tank as they can perform other needed functions if only one tank is needed. Maully touched on this. Part of being Feral is flexibility…ie cleansing, healing, OT duties, etc. If you can’t adapt to the fact that in Vanilla you have multiple roles to play then being a Druid probably isn’t for that player.

Druids were insanely powerful in Wrath. Amazing DPS if you could handle cat, one of the two strongest tanks…which carried all through Cata, and strong healers.

Still there weren’t alot that played Feral for alot of the above listed reasons. Feral isn’t for everyone…especially in a more prevalent min/max environment.

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No one wants to stare at a bear’s @ss all day

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Tibble has really boiled it down to its essence. He’s said more than all of us, and with fewer words.

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I don’t know why I’d lie about it, we couldn’t keep warriors other than our tank and arms warrior to save our lives. We had something like 2 rogues 1 with glaives, 4-5 hunters, 4-5 warlocks, 3 mages, 2 spriests, 1 ele shaman, 1 enhancement and some healers

I don’t really remember a lot of people bringing more than 1 - better off stacking better classes/specs with utility

We had a guildy’s blue geared alt feral druid tank 4H, 23 other parses with an ilvl that low. No deaths.

Feral druids aren’t too shabby

Not a world first guild but a server first one and we took hunters, ret pally, feral tank. The parselords talk a big game.

I don’t read that wall of text but I played on a hardcore guild in tbc and once geared the top 5 dpsers went as follows. 1. Fury Warrior 2. Rogue 3. Shaman 4. Arms warrior 5 warlock. The lock was only in the top 5 because he did amazing aoe damage. Also the arms warrior will be a thing in tbc for the buff it brings to melee. Once geared arms can actually compete with any spec and I seen our arms warrior beat the fury on several occasions, plus arms seems a lot more fun play style than fury. I seem to remember hunters and both dps type druids usually at the bottom of the dpsers, but mages were always pretty consistent following close to the lock and on some fights even competing for the top slot. Hope this helps.

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Regardless of how silly some people think my OP is I’m happy with how much relevant talk is still going on around this thread. Hopefully it’s not being a black hole for conversation on these forums though lol.