This would be one change I can absolutely get behind. It’s simply not fun to be locked at 60 to a particular specialization. For pure DPS classes maybe it’s okay, or even for healers. But when I was a warrior main back in Vanilla single spec was the bane of my existence as someone who wanted to both raid and PvP.
Honestly, this crazy adherence to no changes is kind of annoying.
Wait you mean you want something that would allow the least played and most desired classes (tanks and healers) to be more fun and viable?
Sounds counterproductive. #nochanges
The only change I want to see is when layering is removed and the rest of the game is finally added. There’s no need for a barber shop, transmog, guild bank, dual spec, or whatever minor changes you people want.
If vanilla is not good enough for you, please consider playing something else.
Okay now answer me this.
Why should you get your pet change but not… everyone else?
Depends what the change is, I’m open to various changes.
This one in particular wouldn’t really affect any of the big things people want from Vanilla, which is a stronger feeling of community, old class mechanics, and original content that has been lost.
QoL changes aren’t inherently bad. Struggle isn’t inherently good. There’s a balance that can be struck, and it can be had by simple, open discussion.
Blindly saying NOCHANGES immediately shuts down discussion.
I can’t speak for everyone else, but literally none of me or my 10+ friends who quit years ago, but came back for classic, cares at all about the NOCHANGES.
I understand that’s an unpopular stance on the forums, which mostly is comprised of more hardcore people, but I’d be very surprised if even 50% of the total player base cared at all about NOCHANGES.
Can we please stop trying to make Classic not-Classic? Thank you.
Absolutely NOT! It destroyed the game and your characters identity. It was the beginning of streamlining the game taking it away from an RPG. I have a Prot warrior but IF I want a Dps warrior I should make an alt to scratch that itch. This is intended and great design.
We must look at the origins of these beautiful Talent trees we have and realize they came from the greatest game ever made. Diablo 2. A game where if you misplaced a point in a talent tree or stats. You made another character. A game that perhaps has the best shelf life of any game in existence.
Can we have dual spec? No…with a side of Nooooooo. Should you make Alts? Yes!!! Dual spec was a terrible introduction to the game. All it did was take away uniqueness of that specific character and remove an Alt to play. Literally destroying the replay value of the game.
My Warrior is a Prot warrior and will forever be one. That is his identity! The talent trees should be more permanent and it should be pretty challenging to switch them. Just go play Alts. Enjoy the game again with another character. It’s an MMORPG.
Please NO NEVER EVER EVER add something as terrible as dual spec. Lets enjoy a better designed game where your character identity is somewhat permanent. If anything it should of been harder to respec.
except thats not what the goal of classic is, is it? and again - lets say hypothetically you’re not happy with the change. so why do you get your wish, but the wish your unhappy with, gets left out?
except it does - in vanilla you were known for what you were. “oh yeah, i know tom, he’s a good tank, but beware his friend, jim the rogue, who is a known ninja”.
yeah the discussion is simple → is it authentic to vanilla? yes. okay, we’re open to discussion.
no? then why bother? the goal is vanilla. not some hodgepodge vanilla retail hybrid?
No, this was one of the things that began the great dumb-down where choice began to cease to have meaning and players’ agency began to vanish.
all these people who want changes must have missed the part where they said the goal of classic was to recreate an authentic vanilla wow. they already have one game with all the quality of life and updates and continuation they want.
I would very much like to have this as an option. It would open up opportunity for varied play and save people playing classes that have traditionally been required to respec often a lot of gold.
The problem is that you are expecting rational discussion.
These forums are filled with people that think WoW was perfect when released and that there have been no positive changes since.
No there should be no dual specs. It’s too much of a convenience and takes away from talent trees. If you want dual spec’s retail has it there for you.
vanilla wow was hardly perfect. that is obvious. i’m playing a gosh darn paladin for the love of god.
the problem is what was asked for, what was advertised, and what was promised.
the goal is authentic vanilla wow. has been since day 1.
if you change that and take that away, what do those who fought 10 years or more for have? nothing. again.
and those who wanted changes? now have two games.
The problem is people don’t realize the difference between positive and negative changes. You think it was a positive quality of life change and Blizzard agreed but it was in fact extremely detrimental to the core structure of the game.
This is why the old games are vastly superior in terms of game design philosophy, replay value and entertainment. The fact is great games aren’t made anymore and haven’t been for quite awhile.
It’s funny when the Devs get so far off base of what customers need and develop expansions that other companies do better. You know what I am talking about right? Diablo 3 was a massive miss… It was supposed to be the next addition to the Diablo franchise when another company GGG came along and gave us the true sequel to Diablo 2 with Path of Exile. PoE is a vastly better designed RPG than D3. Complex talent trees that are somewhat permanent to give players tons of options is what gamers want.
No gamer ever wanted things streamlined or easy, especially not in an RPG. Where your character identity is everything. Where the decision you make on the path of your character should be very hard to make!!! So I ask to please understand that most of the changes to the game of WoW were negative and took them extremely far away from what an RPG stands for. No we don’t want those changes.
So because you don’t want to deal with the consequences of your actions, we should get dual spec?
Especially after having an easy choice of spec in retail for so long, I can understand the temptation. For classic, instead of spec, I think of class. Unlike retail, we have choices with more impact, especially while leveling. The cost of training forces decisions.
I would rather Classic stay Classic and the modern game do its own thing. Personally, I’m going to enjoy the both.
level another toon #nochange
Respecs should just be free. It never made any sense in an in game context to charge for them to begin with.
Classic wow has been advertised as an authentic Recreation of vanilla.
Considering they already failed at that, they may as well make some good changes too.
Since they’re not going to make half of the specs be not-useless in raiding, at least dual spec would make wanting to play one of those specs less painful.