Apparently people were successfully zerging it even when they implemented older versions of AV.
The Alliance base in particular is very vulnerable to being backdoor’d, and is something that pugs don’t even struggle with.
Hey that’s me! Yea the way P servers do it, is that Depending on which Korrak is in the middle after X ammount of time, or he’s at Snow fall GY, NO PSERVER uses the 1.5 map however.
They do keep in the older NPCS for example, all bunk tower guards minelayers the extra LT’s and so on. You can ZERG this in theory, but it requires more gear and rarely is it over in 10 minutes. etc
Personally, this is what i’m in favor in if we can’t get 1.5 (Which again i doubt blizzard has the old map and data, which even if they did. It’s just more work for no real reason.) If you give people that odd 1.7, version i’m sure enough will be happy on both sides, At least i feel that way.
Again, if that is truly the case, then the old versions need never have been nerfed.
Just to clear this up for those who haven’t done or seen this, the way you do it Is you have horde @ the GY where Blinda is, move up to North west to the harpy cave. and they can jump with mounts to behind both inner bunkers, and sneak into the GY back dooring it. cap the GY and then take out the two Dun Bunkers.
You counter this with 2-5 mages casting blizzard, or any form of slow really and it wipes them. I Dont’ think this was possible with the older map, due to the way one of the snowmounds changed or so i’ve heard. I was never ally in AV 1.5 so i can’t honestly say but this was all doable with the new map. as all P servers use the new Map, some P servers do have MASSIVE amounts of mines to prevent this, but once the minelayer is dead those mines don’t come back.
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I think there is a basic missunderstanding some of you “changers” have.
There is BFA, at BFA you have a zerg AV, you have timers, crossrealm, dungeon browser and a lot of other stuff, that came after classic. A lot of these things, have changed WOW in a very significant way and if you want to experience the original content / way of playing, then you can not do that, as BFA does not offer it.
When we asked for Classic, we asked for an authentic WOW like it was in 2004 and 2005. That was our starting point. We wanted to experience everything that we can no longer do on live WOW.
My personal number 1 reason wa AV and the idea to leave a battle in the evening and join that exact same battle 12 hours later. It gave you the experience of having an ongoing war, something that Blizzard never achieved again.
My number 2 reason was realm only pvp and questing. I knew a lot of players by name, I knew their strength and weakness, it was like playing with actual people.
Both these things, I wanted to experience at Blizzards Classic WOW, because I can not experience it anywhere else.
However, what I can experience are those 5 minute zerg AV´s, they are right there for me at BFA, together with a bunch of strangers from other realms. I can see people quest next to me, people that I never see again. Why do I need to get the same experience in Blizzards reboot?
What is the reason for it, if I already have that on BFA?
For me Classic is not about going to Naxx again, for me Classic is all about the server only communities, the long AV battles and everything that BFA does not have anymore. Right now, Classic is BFA 2.0. just with a different class system.
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Sure but it also means that going back to it wont bring back your “Peeling the Onion”, and there is no real reason to revive it if it’s just going to be functionally the same as 1.12 anyway.
I’d personally like to see an older version at least given a try, but we really shouldn’t be expecting these big epic battles that we go on about happening in 2005.
Private servers have shown us that people are gonna zerg it like it’s 1.12 anyway.
I don’t know why u guys keep saying that 1.12 AV is all zerg fights… A premade can easily break this zerg if they want, for a random group zerg the final boss is a good choice because don’t need organization to do.
But this not means that all AVs will be zerg mode.
Also, i belive that blizzard will make a 1.5 AV in some future event, is a very good event idea for classic.
You’re dreaming. We have been asking for a classic 1.5 patch AV for 12+ yeas and they haven’t done nothing.
You guys do not care, all you want is quick honor, 1.12 AV is not the AV we all used to love. Becareful what you wish for, once we get 1.12 we finally lost our beloved AV once and for all. There will be no second chance, there will be no classic av brawl.
JUST LOOK WHAT WAS REMOVED and use your imagination on how fast the BG will go. This is the patch before we got reinfrocements.
1.5:
• Winterax Hold
• Wildpaw Ridge
• Syndicate NPC’s
• Mine Layers, Landmines
• Korrak the Bloodrager
• Portable Shredder Unit
• Tower/Bunker Guards
• Lots of Standing Guards
• Lots of Patrols
• Long battles
1.8:
• Winterax Hold removed
• Wildpaw Ridge removed
• Syndicate NPC’s removed
• Mine Layers, Landmines removed
• Shorter battles
1.10:
• Korrak the Bloodrager removed
• Portable Shredder Unit removed
1.11:
• Tower/Bunker Guards removed
• Most Patrols removed
• Most Standing Guards removed
• Ridiculous short battle
If you really think 1.12 AV will take over 40 minutes, you are dreaming, this is NOT the Classic AV that the veterans remember. This is a cop out from Blizzard and I hate them for it.
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I played that on PServers man i know how is the 1.5 version. It’s fun, it’s different, it’s big i understand, but i don’t have the same opinion of you.
I like the both versions, there are some things that i like more in 1.12 and others more in 1.5 and i am fine with this.
Drama queen.
I personally think the old versions cannot be zerged, and that the peeling the onion strategy was the most effective way to play the BG. I am merely stating that people claiming that the early versions could be zerged do not have a leg to stand on when they attempt to argue that old AV was too hard or too long.
Just so people know. Really old vanilla accounts didn’t migrate with achievements. And if they did alot of it was corrupt.
I opened up a ticket and a gm told me that.
Here’s the crux of the issue:
1.12 AV is closer to current retail’s version of AV than the OG one. Liking both versions is great, wonderful. Unfortunately we who preferred the unnerfed version get nothing. After literally begging them for over a decade, since during vanilla for the unnerfed version, this this is what they are settling on, that which content-wise is the same thing as retail and even more similar to what private frigging servers offer.
And I would repeat what has been stated time and again: AV was a HUGE part of endgame. Moreso for those who did not poopsock raids.
I agree, you said the truth, i am not against 1.5 AV in classic. I belive that they will put it in classic in future as event maybe.
Thank you, then you can understand why it is monumentally irritating to us that after over a decade, we have players in this forum telling us to “be thankful” for what they decided on, and that we shouldn’t raise a fuss. There are players actively arguing against the concept of the earlier versions.
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Private servers show that people do zerg the older versions.
Which while their numbers may not be 100% accurate, they ARE using the identical map which involves the terrain that lets the Horde backdoor the Alliance main base.
I’ve not complained about the old version being too hard or too long, but my point is that it ultimately may not matter about getting an older version of AV. It may just be zerged like it’s 1.12 anyway.
We have evidence to support that, regardless of what you think.
In nostalrius some groups tryed zerg and someones had done that!
I don’t need to be a drama queen, just telling you all like it is. If you actually think AV will go backward from 1.12 to 1.5 once it is in the classic game, you are dreaming.
I rather they go from patch 1.5 and then if people do not like it for what ever reason then they can always patch to 1.8, 1.11 or 1.12 patch.
Well I’ve always thought that regardless of what av we got bliz would patch out the backdoor. Like it was nice vs the bridge but it always seemed like it was unintended and is the only reason av would go 5 mins
They can do this! Only need playerbase ask for that.
Example:
1.5 AV weekend event, players will be able to queue in 1.5 AV for x amount of days. Like they do in other games Overwatch, HoTS, HS, etc.