There you go again being an @$$. It comes natural to you, doesn’t it?
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ya i cant help myself when its nearly a week and im still seeing this on the forums, classcord and my dms
you can explain it in a nice way and you’ll still be told you have a “agenda” or some poop like that. not everyone has unlimited patience or ignorance like you to take it all
Geezus Krist! Do you have any idea how pathetic you sound???
That’s because your @$$ has no idea HOW to “explain it in a nice way.” Now pay attention for once: If you DID know how to be nice and explain it in a nice way, you would be in this situation now with everyone.
The damn concept of being civil to others is so foreign to you that you have to actually term it “unlimited patience.”
Unbelievable.
i was nice, i even gave a friendly warning. idk why your on this high horse or something, you add nothing to these threads. you play this centrist role telling people “yes, maybe they should keep the bug that made our hero tree pointless and some of our spec tree irrelevant” thats not being helpful, thats not being nice, thats being ignorant and trying to make yourself feel better by being the shoulder these people cry on. i havent seen you once try to explain why this bug is harmful. i haven seen you explain it in this “nice way” you keep preaching about, on how this bug makes the spec and its core mechanics irrelevant.
all youve done is target me and saying im mean, while alot of people here are calling people who saying its a bug, worse things.
its like you have a fetish for it i stg
inb4 “but but but your a @$$” ya great comeback turalyon, no wonder aleria left you
WTF??? Here are your very words…
Try again.
Because you’re an @$$ and I like the paladin boards. Everyone here but YOU is civil and polite. But you come on here and screw it up for everyone else. Since you wanna make it uncomfortable for everyone else, I’m gonna make it uncomfortable for YOU. Get used to seeing me (and others) constantly calling you out—@$$!
You’re an complete @$$ and a liar. I have NEVER said Blizz should keep the bug. Stop lying just to look good to others and prove a point. It makes you look weaker and more pathetic.
Now watch this and pay close attention, you just might learn something. Ready…
You’re right on your assessment.
Wait, what?? Did Turalyonn just agree with Arahgon?? 
You and others have made very good arguments on why it was a bug, thus there was no need for me to enter the debate. YOUR PROBLEM is that you suck at messaging to the point that people don’t want to hear you.
Learn to be fu$#@ng civil, then MAYBE people will treat you with respect. Until then…
No one on the paladin forum says worse things than you, NO ONE—you @$$.
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ofcourse everyone is gonna be civil and polite when people blindly agree to their poor idea that would hurt the spec in the long run. yall are starting to treat ben poorly cause hes the only person here and speaks with any sense about the specs health.
okay? you have fun with that, also ending every scentence with @$$ just makes you sound weird
everytime i see you reply to people that arnt me, its to pat their back and go “maybe maybe maybe they can make hol be castable twice as a middle ground :)” or something simliar, like no your not helping, your just giving these people fuel for their dying fire. stop being a centrist and agree with everyone to make everyone feel “happy” when your just making things worse foreveryone
basically your a coward. instead of helping your again being in the middle like “im holier than thou” by going “everyone has good arguments” nah, theres only one side, the side that doesnt brick the hero tree and the specs core mechanics. so again
show me, show me how “nice” you want me to be by giving me a example. you complain about me being mean, but arent leading by example, all your saying is “@$$” while trying to hold this illusion of self imposed ignorance of “im better than everyone here”
you can reply to me all you want, you can call me out all you want. but if you dont have anything to add legitimately, then kindly stay out of these matters that you clearly dont want to be involved in
literally all the pvp andies are puting tinfoil hats and saying we have a agenda or secret purpose or that we’re bad ect ect. way to be selectively blind and purposefully ignorant cause you have me living in your head rent free
All I mean when I say they are balancing off M+ is that if competitive PvE did not exist… it wouldn’t matter that some classes were stronger than others… but because there is competition between the classes… it does matter. Therefore, hotfixes are required to keep everything in line…
Not to mention, multiple people are saying HoL as it was previously was 100% more fun and engaging to play, regardless of the damage output… So your argument that simply because something was unintended means it should be “debugged” is kind of wild. Do you realize this is a game where people want to actually have fun for the money they spend every month? They could have fixed it by reducing the numbers… not by gutting peoples enjoyment of the spec…
What makes you qualified to gauge the long term health of the spec? You really think that having more HoL’s with smaller numbers would ruin the spec?? Rofl… what makes you think that?
Geezus Krist, you’re so oblivious! You treat people civil and polite regardless if you agree or not. (Un-fu^$#ing-believable)
But accurate. Next…
Really? I’m making things worse here on this forum? I challenge you to make a survey and ask who makes things worse here, you or me. Go on, do it…
Annnd you just keep proving my point for others to see. I just gave you credit and you call me a coward. Dude, you are a complete @$$ and I’ll be on you EVERYTIME you post something stupid…which is every post you make.
No “we”…YOU! They call you out. You seeing a pattern yet?
Him being an @$$ makes him qualified…in HIS eyes.
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Oh, another thread where no one likes you and acknowledge your awful brainwaves.
I’m SHOCKED!
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kinda yes, cause hol is supposed to be this nuke ability on par with wake of ashes. its burst.
if we make it a window but make the damage smaller. then that discourages the use of our spenders, it also discourages the use of multiple talents cause it doesnt effect hol, it also makes alot of the hero tree irrelevant. without huge sweeping changes to hol. but again, why should we change something that isnt broken. it makes no sense.
ret needs buffs more than it needs any sweeping changes to templar.
again, you do you. if you cant put your hat in the ring because “people have it handled” then frankly you shouldnt be around the ring. you can reply to me saying im a @$$ all you want.
I’m glad they fixed the HoL bug. Ret damage should not be tied to brief burst windows.
As I said, I firmly believe this is almost solely driven by the damage they were dealing except for like a minuscule amount of individuals.
If you did the same damage as 1 cast but had to do it 3 times, I’m convinced people in general would not find that “fun” anymore.
At large across the WoW community, people associate a lot of their fun through the damage they dish out and are really quick to call something “trash” or “boring” as soon as it doesn’t.
Because they like seeing their impact by seeing a bar move or a number go up.
I don’t see why Paladin players would be an exception in this reaction.
I don’t fault them but it’s a profound misunderstanding to think that changing Templar so it mechanically does what the bug did would result in it keeping the damage % it currently has or any of the effects it gave for that matter.
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Maybe I call you that because it’s true?? Several people have called you out but you’re to dense to see a pattern.
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No. I can say for an absolute fact it was not driven by the damage it was doing. I genuinely had so much fun using that ability and trying to figure out how to manage it in higher content where I would have to upkeep SotR as well. It’s not a “spam” as people seem to keep saying. If you spam it in even remotely high content, you will die. Managing SotR while fitting in HoL’s was super fun…
It was also driven by having a breakup to the generic 2 button builder 1 button spender monotony that is prot paladin. A lot of classes have this monotony. But it felt VERY good to have a different type of spender every 45 seconds. It made the spec feel fresh for the first time in over a decade. I’ve played prot pally on and off since BC, and that was genuinely the most fun I’ve ever had on the spec. Regardless of the damage it did.
I agree it needed changes for ret. But for prot, it was the first breath of fresh air the spec has had in years
this btw, if hol was nerfed to be “Fair” the people who love this bug would be screaming how its “dogS***”. it happens everytime when something broken positively is accessable to the playerbase and made into a feature
You’re probably right but like you said, can you really fault them? For the record, I enjoyed the gameplay itself of trying to get as many HoL in that 12 seconds. Made it challenging but I suspected it was bugged.
See? I’m not alone in this.
If Blizz enacted on what we talked about earlier and lengthening the distance from player to target, HoL would be 100% more effective.
You can’t say that… unless you’re speaking solely for yourself.
As much as I can’t say with 100% certainty that people would ALL hate it if the damage was reduced.