Midare hasn’t been the same since the high elf threads.
I did, I went back up several times and clicked in the arrows and the name that appeared at the top right of your post to quote it directly from there.
I’ll acept that I might have come in too strong at the start, but you are not noticing that the post I originally replied to, is not the same you quoted last.
Nice attempt at a jab, I think I felt something grazing my ankle.
I can only hope that the whole invitation it’s a trap… please let it be a trap.
That’s kind of my point; you’ve become way more aggressive since those threads started popping up en masse.
No, the whole Calia deblacle annoys me to no end. And I said I did come out too strong at the start, but thanks for knowing me better than I do I guess?
At least with blue eyed blood elves I’ll keep my cool, but Calia is Magatha levels of infuriating to me.
don’t you like the new World of Pillowcraft where we dumb everyone down to softcore soap opera personalities?
Remember when Baine had a spine?
Me neither.
And now after being visible for over a decade, they’re possibly removing the spine from Forsaken too…
I just think you could use a hug, or maybe a pat on the back.
No thank you, what I need it seems is to invest in a nuance detector to pass around 
Cultures do not develop from nothing, and I highly doubt Sylvanas was responsible for the interior decorating of the Undercity. Even Lilian Voss thought she was still human for a time. Not everyone was buying what Sylvanas was selling.
The PLAYABLE forsaken ARE Lordaeron citizens.
The whole premise of Before the Storm exists in opposition to that exact point. Even before then, since vanilla, there have been NPCs that talk about the old days. There is no doubt that these people still identify as a part of the legacy of Lordaeron.
you know, I miss Cairne.
I really miss Cairne.
I miss Garrosh too. Terrible character, miss him terribly.
I miss Varian.
W A R craft isn’t really warcraft at this point; I honestly feel like I’m watching an animated soap opera rendered in 2008 animations, or an anime-rendition of a very, very bad fanfic manga. from Anduin’s ‘whoa-war-is-bad-nevermind-that-siege’ complex to Baine ‘i-love-the-alliance-and-flowers’ and Calia.
how does the Kingdom of Lordaeron side with the Horde?
if Calia becomes the leader, it’s the Kingdom of Lordaeron, right? you’re arguing she’s a legitimate leader because she’s the rightful claimant.
how the hell does it make sense for the REMNANTS OF THE KINGDOM OF LORDAERON TO BE ALIGNED WITH THE HORDE?
Calia has been set up to be the leader of the Forsaken since Before the Storm.
I’m only okay with this as long as Lilian Voss has an advisor role to her. Lilian doesn’t seem to want to lead, though I think she’s the best to lead the Forsaken.
The same way blood elves are aligned with the horde
do you think blood elves enjoy sharing a space with green skinned, porc eating, tusk wearing, farm animals?
In reality, neither belfs nor Forsaken should be with the horde but has been thrown together for the overall story of the game
when we reduce the Forsaken to pillowbones and completely shatter every identity and foundation they were built upon as a race and introduced to people as for years, it really makes even less sense.
for something that makes no sense at all, from the start, to make even less sense, is not good.
They didn’t develop their culture out of nothing nor Sylvanas did anything about it. it was the Forsaken that developed that culture. They created the different building, the different foods, and the completely different religion that was created as a way to cope with undeath.
Calia was nowhere to be seen while those she abandoned developed all this.
I still think it was absurd that they killed him after years of simply having him there at the threshold of his hut doing nothing only to replace him with Hooman Lover Spineless Mcgee…
I’m a weeb myself, and trust me, not even the authors of the most generic shonen anime would accept something like this.
Great, if they’re not supporting Calia “Lol you guys are getting murdered? Peace!” Menethil, they’re supporting Lilian “I don’t like the forsaken but I’m somehow helping in the war effort LOL” Voss…
I’m oh so tired…
Do you know what is fun?
Horde lost warchief rank, now it is just a council. Thats all ok in terms of lore, but Horde do lost a strong charism point of its faction.
Calia is probably the new leader of the forsaken, and its sound odd for the Horde player base.
But, Alliance is going to have divisions now, and I highly doubt that Horde will have a civil war again. So, in the end Alliance players will claim Horde bias all over again.
the overall, drastic change in the direction of WoW lore presentation and the story mechanisms/plot devices pushed forth concerns me in-so-much as i don’t even see where the story can go from here, without getting even more ridiculous and insane, and then everything just spirals. i mean the outright gutting of night elves as a race, culturally and politically, is one thing - but i guess you can say it’s expected because of how little obvious regard Blizzard have for night elves and their lore.
but then…every major, leading character suffers the same…dumbdown. I don’t even know what to call this kind of writing, or this kind of change to the writing. It’s literally like everything dumbed down to a really poorly-written cartoon soap opera, and I just don’t understand how. It’s pissed me off beyond belief considering how much I invested myself in Warcraft lore for a while.
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What identity are you talking about. The forsaken have been one of the most 1-dimensional races since vanilla.
Other than ‘for the dark lady,’ undead have had nothing to contribute to the universe with the exception of Putricide’s attack at the wrathgate, and the recent character development of Nathanos.
the clear identity that’s established for forsaken and their players through narratives, the lore predating WoW and the lore predating this expansion.
forsaken have always been very dark - you know, you’d expect it of them considering they’re an undead race of people who were resurrected first by the individual that completely shattered their Kingdom (despite being an heir to it himself), culture and families and then liberated by an elf resurrected by that same individual into undeath. lol ‘what joy is there in this CURSE.’
there is no JOY in undeath. there is no I-LOVE-PILLOWS-AND-MISS-MY-FAMILY. it’s U N D E A T H. even if you attempt to be a more kindhearted corpse, it’s reasonable to expect that everyone around you has become a little bit cynical, a little bit misanthropic, and a little bit morbid.
and an entire group of those people choose and elevate a magical Light fairyqueen with no history pertaining to ANY of them individually to their leadership.
right, alright.
welcome to the Twilight Zone, where writing and plot devices go to die.