unlucky that no one will do brewfest this year as it will just be a sucky time sink away from relevant Wotlk content
Please put RDF in for at least 1-70, old world dungeons suffer heavily from lack of RDF. Iâd rather be able to actually do dungeons than to âhave the social experience of walkingâ. Honestly heroics are even really annoying to group for due to the terrible current LFG. Also, was hoping prepatch would be a bit earlier, wrath is when some classes finally feel complete and it sucks needing to wait for another half month.
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Unmitigated abuse of transfers throughout Classicâs lifetime has done the same, if not worse, damage to the realm communities. Theyâre already unrecognizable from retail.
Please donât. Yâall can keep begging for it but its not going to happen.
Yes it is. You canât try to pull some stand on your head way of looking at time to say its not.
Being kicked IS the repercussion. And in an RDF type system you actually have more community say in discipline.
In the current system the only person who can kick is the leader. And he just may be that said jerk-bag. In the random system you can take a vote.
I think you all still for some reason think that most of us wanting RDF are wanting the old cross realm RDF. I am sure some might, but a lot just want the RDF system for our own realm only.
Thank you for playing. Please put your seats in the upright configuration and prepare for landing.
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The fact they canât even accept a fact like dungeon finder was half of Wrath demonstrates they are quite literally incapable of a rational conversation.
Having an opinion is fine. Denying truths just makes it seem like that opinion is based on nonsense.
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Gamesâ chronology goes by content releases not by concrete chronology. You do not get installments of features/content by arbitrary dates, you get them with patch releases, and in Wrath of the Lich King RDF was released at the end of the expansionâs content cycle thus the end of the expansion.
You are trying to make it seem like RDF was throughout most of the content in Wrath when it wasnât to strawman. It is not a good look.
Except itâs not a good one nor is it intuitive. If you bring 3/5 people into a group and the other two are buddy-buddy then everyone has veto power which means you get to quit and enjoy the dungeon deserter or sit and wait for them to do so.
Yes, in the current system the only person who can kick is the person who built the group. In RDF nobody âbuilds the groupâ but the system meaning that power is decentralized and chaotic as a result.
Iâm not part of any âgroupâ so Iâd appreciate it if you stopped trying to label everyone who points out the flaws in your argument as some sort of âanti-RDF extremistâ. It makes you appear to be projecting.
This would be better than RDF inter-realm.
Not sure what this is referring to.
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I am not going to argue with you any more after this.
This statement assumes every single player is at the max level and doing end game content from the very start of a given expansion. That is not the case and very narrow sighted of you.
Chronological time is the only thing that matters.
INCORECT statment. No one ever claimed it was in most of the content. What I was doing is pointing out the fallacy in the âIt was only in the last part of wrathâ dog whistle.
Now. here is the other point you wonât want to talk about.
Classic has been released with LAST patch content since classic. So why trim this?
I am done arguing with a brick wall. Please do have a good day.
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Then why are patches released based on completion as opposed to strict chronology? If you notice this time around TBC Classic went by much faster than original TBC because people were completing it much quicker, thus indication that it is content that dictates releases and not real-world chronology.
It was. âPartâ being content-based patches. You do not once see people complaining about âthis patch is lasting too longâ as you do âthereâs nothing left to doâ. Releases are content-based, not chronology-based.
Classic has been released with last-patch features because Blizzard doesnât want to deal with the balancing aspects of it. Iâd be glad if they did it patch-by-patch but they are not. Youâd be in the same non-RDF situation were that the case as well.
Facts are very impassible, yes.
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Can you please extend Brewfest please!!
Signed.
Also where is the info about the boosts?
Was pretty hyped to play this with some friends like old times. Ironic that the reason itâs not going to happen is so blizz can try to force a specific âsocial experienceâ. I thought that was what the classic and tbc classic were for? Iâve been so excited for wrath re-release since they announced classic and this really bummed me out. +1 for RDF
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Again, your patch argument vs chronological doesnât even matter because RDF came out in a previous patch to what we are starting with in Wrath. Thats why we are getting ALL the QOL that got added later in Wrath. (Dual Spec, Cold Weather Tome, etc) If you donât like those features then why would you play wrath? LOL.
I get it, you donât want RDF added because you really really liked vanilla/tbc⌠(I am assuming since you havenât posted on a classic main)
But we do want it, call us purists.
Finally⌠if Blizz were to announce they would be adding it in a later patch⌠you would not see me post another thread about RDF, I imagine most feel the same way. But that isnât whats happening so your arguments ultimately donât matter because it sounds like most of your issues are based around balancing issues at release.
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Balance-related, yes, weâre starting with the balance changes for 3.3.5. We are not starting with the 3.3.5 content because ICC isnât released. RDF is not a QoL change/bugfix, it is a major system addition with numerous balancing implications.
I donât like RDF now so more than ever because it seems to breed a bunch of transparently pathological self-interested people who try to say that ICC is âhalf of Wrathâ when that is false.
ICC has 13 bosses and RS has 1
All that came before it has 35 bosses and 3 prior arena seasons. âBut muh chronological releasesâ is, again, not an argument because patches are not released based on timestamps, they are released based on content (who has completed it compared to who hasnât). Therefore a chronologically based metric is inaccurate. You donât pay $15 a month to sit idle in Dalaran and consume time, you pay $15 a month to consume content.
I donât like RDF because it breeds cognitively dissonant people like yourself apparently. All I see from the RDF crowd is strawmanned points that really make no sense when put under close inspection and a collection of those who refuse to admit when theyâre wrong or factually just as valid as someone else. Youâre not âpuristsâ at all because youâre wailing for RDF to be implemented day 1 when that is not how WotLK worked. You got RDF in the last patch of WotLK. If youâre a purist then start crying for that, and if youâre going to try to say âWeâll weâre starting on the last patch!â then why isnât ICC released on day 1? Could it be because genuine content is the basis for legitimate patches and not real-world chronology?
If thatâs your perspective then ultimately your posts donât matter either because Blizzard is not going to listen. Iâm from the days of Ghostcrawler and Holinka who didnât take any hints of what atrocious balance changes they were committed to doing (ferals were broken in Cata and the joke was itâs because Holinka couldnât get past 2000 and didnât want to admit it, so he kept buffing and tickle-nerfing). Blizz hardly ever listened and they almost never do when itâs something they put their figurative foot down on. Blizzard will hardly ever admit theyâre wrong through posts or action or otherwise, so good luck with this crusade.
I donât post on a classic character because I donât bother to figure out why this account only lists this character as my only âownedâ one or whatever
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No, that is factually true. It is also factually true that content wise, RDF released near the end of the expansion. Neither one is wrong per se⌠just looking at it from 2 perspectives. Neither of you guys are willing to admit the other guy has a valid argument because it hurts your talking point. Stop being difficult and just meet in the middle.
Ouch, that hurt my last feeling T_T
I think this is because you are having trouble seeing from someone elseâs point of view. People wanting a key part of Wrath to be included in Wrath is a completely reasonable stance. The reason there is an outcry isnât just because its not being included at launch, blizzard said they have no plans to implement it AT ALL.
You say we got it the last patch if Wrath⌠you are right. Can you also admit I am right in saying we had it for 48% of Wrath? You should be able to recognize both of those statements are true.
Thanks! We are in for the long haul so bear with us as we campaign for change!
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I donât necessarily disagree with you that there are far fewer players who loved BC than Wrath. However, there is a cult of BC that would love a BC server.
As to progressing Wrath to Cata, I oppose progressing the Wrath server. I support a separate Cata server for those players who liked that xpac.
I liked Wrath the best, but I would be happy with a Pandaria server as well. Class builds were never better and overall it was a great xpac. Imho, the last great xpac.
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Sir, your lack of proper grammar is not a good look.
Your arguing semantics. That is not a good look either.
that may be your experience. Itâs not everyoneâs.
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Not a matter of perspective. What pushes game progression, time or content? Thereâs your answer.
Facts do that.
No, its quite apparent that people want to say that âhalf of Wrathâ = date/time relative statement of the expansion when all of us full well know if Blizzard said âweâre releasing the first half of the expansionâ weâd be expecting just about everything short of ICC. When people talk of points of interest they always mean content points not chronological ones. Itâs, again, disingenuous to try and pretend that literal chronological time accounts for content when it doesnât.
No because youâre not right. Why? Because time does not cause content. Consumption of content causes new content to be released. The metric for measuring the span of every expansion has and always will be content, hence the numerical values stitched to to represent each patch note thus making it the only legitimate quantifiable method of measuring states of the game.
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Might want to point out whatâs grammatically incorrect then as opposed to just describing.
Since when is a companyâs basis for releasing content âsemanticsâ? Unless you think Blizzard releases major patches not relative to the rate at which the content is consumed, and if you do think this then care to explain why TBC classic progressed much faster than OG TBC? Donât worry, Iâll wait.
Seems to be everyoneâs who points out the flaws in your argument.
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Oh donât get me wrong, Iâm a big proponent for not having the characters people built and worked on for years that were made specifically to remain in a certain expansion to be forced into progressing either. If there are enough for that, then by all means. Iâm not trying to force anyone to play a version of the game that they donât want to.
Was just saying that I havenât seen many people around that wanted it, so I can also understand Blizzardâs perspective in not having to host a separate client of the game for a single small/dead server.
And yeah, as far as Wrath goes, I canât imagine a world in which they force everyoneâs characters beyond it. That alone would kill Classic dead.