Again with the absolute nonsense. No matter how many sources put out numbers that show people like m+, you wil continue to spout this nonsense.
I truly hope Blizz gives you the game you want one day, then me, my friends, everyone in my guild, everyone on my friend list, and everyone in my old guild can move on with our lives and play another game. It’ll really be healthy for the game driving away players like that.
Take away the welfare gear and we’ll see how “popular” M+ really is.
YAAAAAWN. There was a point in time where some people might have fallen for this nonsense, but its long passed. Keep up with the times.
Nope, m+ is more popular by the numbers.
The time is almost upon us HEROES! Are YE Ready?!
Because the game is tuned around its welfare gear; if you don’t do it, everything else is overtuned.
Make the M+ welfare gear only work in M+, and let’s see how the numbers look.
It’s the same thing they did with PvP gear after Dragonflight season 1.
(And M+ enthusiasts are TERRIFED at the thought, because they know M+ participation would plummet like a stone.)
Then dont do it. Why do you want to destroy somone elses fun because you cant handle m+…
Unfortunately, ever since Nighthold, Blizzard has tuned the raids on the assumption that everyone is already fully geared from M+ before they walk through the door.
I don’t, I just want M+ gear restricted to M+, same as PvP gear is restricted to PvP.
However, it’s telling that your notion of “fun” for M+ doesn’t rely around actually DOING M+, but only around getting welfare gear that works everywhere else, for doing content on par with Candyland in terms of challenge.
So you mean your raid doesn’t like the limp numbers you manage and push you to do m+ so they look almost average, but you would prefer to be carried.
Nah, they’ll still require AOTC or no invite 
idk I’m an M+ enthusiast and I’m tired of it being a loot pinata. I’ll never support multiple gear sets, but something has to give on it related to raid.
You’re absolutely right. Raid trinkets/cantrips should either be nerfed down or dungeon items buffed up so people aren’t forced to raid anymore. We’ll see if raid teams can keep a roster when the welfare trinkets are taken away. /s
Lol on your welfare gear comment. Heroics raid is easy and certainly easier than anything 10+. I would argue you getting carried through raid would be much more like welfare gear. Since you were dead for the whole fight like most buyers.
You’re misunderstanding. It’s not as simple as that, just as often for M+ players and raid trinkets, raiders best trinkets come from M+.
No one likes raid or die, but no one should have to endure “M+ or die” as a result of removing raid or die. Between unique items and especially crests, it’s M+ or die for anyone doing remotely competitive raid.
Wait, m0s are gonna be daily now? What a huge W.
You obviously don’t know what welfare gear is.
It actually isn’t because m0s are back to being LFR loot. So it’s about what we had in pre-season of DF, but with a little bit of upgrades available, but Veteran 8/8 is nothing compared to Myth 6/6.
Whoever had the idea to postpone Mythic Raiding/Mythic+ for almost a MONTH after an expansion release, needs to be fired right now, on the spot. Do not collect go, do not clean out your desk. Straight to your car with your brain dead ideas. WoW has become a phone game. Everything is either catered to the RWF degenerates or the people that login once a week and don’t want to get left behind. Either way, Blizz wins as they guarantee it takes a full month worth of subscription, just to play the game.
If you think this is a good roadmap, you are either a degen RWF player that is just going to buy all of your gear the first weeks OR you are a casual player that probably click their buttons and keyboard turns. Congratulations.
“The only difference is that you can’t play the content as much as you’d like and have to be time gated by the company you are paying a monthly subscription to”.
Fixed that for you.
This is just plain awful decision making to delay M+ and M0s . Are players really just expected to only level for a month? The Hype and the Expo start is dead. 