I enjoyed seeing the absolute state of denial the shamans were at the idea of it being overpowered. The absolute level of cope and reasoning they came up with was comedic.
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I just donât get it. How does anyone sane look at that situation and convince themselves itâs fine? Is it just FOTM one tricks?
I play six of the nine classes in SoD. I donât see how anyone with a semi-comparable vantage point could not see the state of the game. Like, this guy blew up when I told him he was wrong and I just canât honestly believe how someone could truly believe what he claims. Itâs like standing outside at noon and claiming itâs a beautiful night out. Demented.
Skill like these, we canât rely on because we donât have them lmao. But thank you for proving my point I made in 9999999 post that shamans without any hard CC (the only melee in the game without access to even 1 stun let alone a fear or incap) had no tools to actually deal with people on them.
Frost shock and walking away is pointless since people can just stun you on your decoy totem. Use any of the multiple tools the have to break slows or roots which have become the most joke of a CC in SoD that mages donât even bother playing frost.
There exists too many snares breaks and gap closers now in the meta to kite most melee. Kiting a rogue, shadow step or vanish shadow strike bam, right back on you. You try to get distance ranged slow, between the eyes stun.
Warriors with warbringer remove your slows or roots.
I wonât disagree that way of earth wasnât busted and needed nerfs. But this whole shamans should be the weakest melee because they always have been argument is kind of bollocks.
But to say we have the tools to kite people when hell even frost mages are struggling to kite melee off them is honestly so bad faith itâs laughable.
Thatâs the class identity.
You should be lobbying for something like cap totem or some kind of crowd control option thatâs in flavor with Classic WoW. Youâre fighting a losing battle if you think holding firm on this âa shaman should stand toe to toe with a warrior or rogueâ is the way to go.
Itâs just not sensible. Shaman have never been that type of character. The amount of copium to convince yourself otherwise⊠lol.
Absolute maximumn 
Attempts at justification like this always give away your real intent. You arent mad someone else is strong in pvp. Youre mad it isnt you.
The WoE change was perfect. Theres guaranteed to be a change coming to MD or to RB to prevent Enh from having more base SP than pure casters (itll likely be to put them on par with Ret running Sheath).
If youre getting 2 tapped by shaman autos its because you have 600hp at 40 for some bizarre reason. The rest of their kit is just as counterable as it ALWAYS was in Era. It amazes me that said counters dont occur to most people so easily. Like, do most of you ONLY play 1 class and have no idea what other classes weaknesses are?
I have in fact lobbied for all of my CC that I donât have. I donât care much for way of earth playstyle itâs boring and unironically the easiest spec to oom and kite. Itâs an absolute noob trap against competent players. There are loads of duel tournaments of WoE shamans being oom kited and slaughtered and not winning.
But hey Iâm sure you have been arguing with people who want to keep rb rb woe. Iâd prefer the light weight skirmisher that hits hard but has tools to not die immediately.
Things I would like to see, not all of them but any of them:
- sundering would be nice for a strong instant hit linear incap
- lasso would be great for ele, pretty mid for enhance
- cap totem would have to be the imp cap totem that fires faster from retail
- SR should be usable while stunned like wrath
- ele should have its root totem, or thunderstorm to peel melee of itself
- instant ghost wolf , usable indoors, with the DR on it. Going into ghost wolf is a critical aspect of shaman survival , it not being instant cast or usable indoors is a massive blow to the just kite argument.
- HEX how could I forget!!
You are completely correct. if you lose woe and gain none of the cc or things above that the class would be remotely able to handle these random situations you make up about magically kiting and using cc that doesnât exist in SoD to deal with these classes. You have to be absolutely seething to think otherwise.
Again I think RB and WoE change personally are good for the game. Now they should shore up our cc that is non existent.
Earth Grab would be flavorful and very fitting with Vanilla WoW. Especially since NPCs have Earth Grab. Itâs like giving lock Shadow Bolt Volley instead of seed - fits the vibe more. I wouldnât object to this.
You conviently forget the part when the AI pet was a raid boss
Some shaman data here.
Way of earth:
- WoE exist since phase 1 and nobody complain about it.
- The actual nerf reduce the shaman survavility in 43%.
- Shaman is hardly countered for a bunch of cc abilities (Blackout,Starfire stun,rogues stunlock) and the bigger health bar of WoE was the unique answer.
Lava lash:
- The nerf turns back the ability into the phase 1 pity damage.
- No, nobody will use flametongue weapon is just a horrible spell.
- Blizzard will keep trying to force enhacement shaman into flametongue weapon instead of make the spell works for elemental by a rune or something.
Spirit of the alpha
- I always thought that the 20% Attackpower was unnecessary.
- The incoming changes are in the good way.
This post is sarcasm right? Like youâre trolling or whateverâŠitâs got to be.
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You conveniently forgot the part about Blizzard nerfing Hunter pets week after week after week continuously for the entirety of the phase. As opposed to Shamans being Gods for an entire phase with radio silence from Blizzard.
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Lololol delusional take. They were broken. Hunters got nerfed so much they didnât have a ranged spec that could out dps tanks. Hope shamans get nerfed more just like hunters.
Yup remove totems and give them a stun. Sounds fair.
hey genius, how do u kite a person thats frost shocking you?
There are a big difference between 25 and 43 yard if you dont use that extra range it is other history.
tell me, how is a paladin suppose to kite that, or a warlock?
Warlock every single ability you have is 30+ yards. Unless you are in a 21 yard diameter bucket, the Shaman getting in range of you is a failure on your part.
Why would a Paladin try to kite a Shaman?
lmao and while we are casting that, the frost shock will be in range now. very small brained logics here.not to mention they can wolf form if they are being kited.
Casting what. Are you hard casting Soulfire?
im gonna pretend you said incinerate so you dont sound like a complete troll. Even if a warlock was to open on a shaman by hardcasting any of their quickest spells, the shaman will definetly have time to catch up, frost shock you and essentially obsolve you from ever getting out of their melee range. the only thing a warlock can get to prevent this is death coil which we currently dont have and thats assuming they dont drop a perfectly timed grounding totem. not to mention if they see us doing any form of hard cast fearing they will drop a grounding totem during that time.