Hahaha. Well I never was “anti-LFD”, and I’ve said in other threads on this topic, that ultimately LFD or lack thereof will not be the reason or even A deciding reason whether I end up playing WOTLKC or not play it. I was just expressing my remaining reservations with the LFD system.
If it ultimately ends up being implemented, ideally I would like to see it without the extra rewards for queueing, other than for shortage roles i.e. tanks and healers. If it ends up being implemented as-is, that would be an “oh well” from me.
if the server is short with tanks/healer then it’s the same problem for groups to form with or without LFD.
i’m in favour for LFD because it has amazing benefits for the game play to many players and it can be used to socialize since we have real ID and you are able to find more friends via lfd.
the only thing LFD could be called for “game destroying” if it gets abused by bots, as i’m expecting tons of gold sellers running groups of bots 1tank1healer3xdps to queue all the time on their own and cause more inflation,But it’s blizzard fault if they never ban bots & it’s the players fault for doing gdkp & boosts since that is the main reason which promote gold buying.
I’d have no problem with that. I didn’t even remember the extra rewards. I just used it because it helped me get dungeons that I did because they were fun.
You’ve picked a perfect analogy, thank you, because it works against you beautifully.
Cars certainly did wreck horses.
You know what else cars wreck (as originally developed)? The environment.
Now you’re seeing a huge diversion of design efforts going in to redesigning the car in to something other than it was (electric vehicles) in order to stunt the negative effects of the car. Given what we know now, in modern day science, we know the car as originally implemented is horrible for the environment, and we seek to change that.
It’s the same thing here.
Blizzard is able to look back, historically, at the effects of the RDF and see that they were profoundly negative to the game in terms of their original vision. Maybe when they first put in RDF they thought it was going to be amazing, just like when cars were first adopted I’m sure it was amazing.
We know more now. We know about the long term effects, and now Blizzard seeks to change the outcome.
You can make more comparisons too. Gas is more convenient than electric cars, just like RDF as originally implemented is more convenient than using the LFG tool. Many people are sort of “locked in” to using gas because they’re used to it and don’t want it to become more complicated, even if it helps the environment. They don’t care about the environment, they just care about making things easier for themselves.
A souped up LFG tool is probably the equivalent of the electric car. Doesn’t wreck the environment, but still provides what is needed. People just have to get their band-aids ripped off on making the switch.
What’s the point of this besides getting cheers from your echo chamber? RDF was controversial back then and it’s been controversial ever since, to the point that Blizzard had to create entirely new dungeon difficulty settings to bypass its use.
All you’re doing is getting likes from people who already agreed with you and alienating everyone else.
You are saying LFD (cars) wrecked the WoW community (environment) and I am saying you’re wrong. I’m saying the environment was already wrecked, polluted and perilous to tread and cars were rolled out to give you some sort of passage over that hellscape. I’m saying while you were riding in that car it was a bumpy and oft scary journey but you could at least get from point A to point B.
You’re saying “no its fine you just need a better car” and I’m saying you’re nuts…I’m saying “LOL…no you doofuses (Blizz not you)…clean up the pools of radioactive waste then we talk about how I make my commute!” You take away my car all I got now is 2 feet rotting in the fetid sludgepiles.
Switching from the current no LFD to the future no LFD? OK…sure, pull when ready…
Here is my experience with Social Interaction in Classic and TBC - - -
[1: General] Me: LFG Ramps
[Whisper ->] GOldOrUs: WTS SP BOOST AFK AT ENTERANCE 50+MOBS 300k+exp PER HOUR.
[Whisper ->] GDKPTank: I will run you for 50g a reset.
[Whisper ->] SuperRuns: Hello Sir would you like boost? Fast cheap can AFK at ent.
[Whisper ->] MisterMage: I’ll go if I can need all caster drops.
[1: General] SomeoneLikeMe: Can someone run BF with me for a quest?
[1: General] RandomDude123: No join a guild.
[1: General] GuyGuy: Anyone got an Alliance to flip Stadium?
[Whisper ->] GoldOrUs: You want sir?
[Whisper ->] SomeGuy: Good Luck, took me three days to find a BM group.
So yeah, can totally see how RDF would keep the social aspect in tact. Stop smoking crack.
Well I, and many others, would like that bandaid re-applied…as expected. Failing that we would appreciate some antibiotic to kill the underlying infection. But not no bandaid, no medicine…that malpractice.
Maybe that’s a by-server thing? Pug dungeons on Bloodsail here in Classic TBC are 90% of the time friendly, welcoming, and talkative. I’ve been playing on this server for almost three years and I can count on one hand the number of negative interactions I’ve had in pug groups.
I’m not talking about negative interactions. I’ve had less than 5 (one hand) negative interactions with pugs. I’ve also had less than 5 that were more social than a hello, an occasional instruction about a fight, and a thanks for the run at the end. I actually transferred this character from BB to Atiesh and while Bloodsail is a bit more talkative than Atiesh still a majority of the pugs I did there were friendly but business like with little to no socializing outside common courtesy and the occasional instruction about the fight.
As opposed to the current scenario where people make new accounts, buy boosts, spend gold to get dungeon boosts, buy loot in GDKPs, /strut around main cities acting like they didn’t just pay someone else to play the whole game for them. Much social, very community, wow.
Yes, but if you read the first sentence I wrote, instead of just quoting the last line, I had said that there was a lot of interaction in nearly every pug I have ever run on this server. Again, maybe it’s just this server, but it’s how I’ve experienced it.
You know that you can acknowledge that someone else has a point, while not agreeing with them right? I’m not defending any one side. It’s not about trumping one side or which is better. People on EITHER side are down playing the opposing side - with the pro LFD side frankly being a lot more entertaining. It’s become a personal thing.
Seeing other people’s perspective really isn’t that hard.
See, it’s not hard. I think TBC was a terrible expansion. I thought 25 man raiding was terrible. I thought cross realm BGs was terrible. I thought no re-tuning Classic Vanilla content was a terrible idea. That being said, it was probably best for the player base. Blizzard made the right move. I didn’t like it, but Blizzard did the right thing. Perpsective is hard.
I frankly don’t give to carts about Wrath. Everything I hear so far, it sounds terrible. Anti LFD mention community. Ok. You want convenience. Ok. Why on earth would people even bother to say “Yeah, but community is dead anyway, blah blah blah” - short of wanting to be “right” or “wrong”. There is no right or wrong.
But carry on. 30+ year olds fighting like children is good fun.
I agree with this overall, the vilification that often goes on is just not needed. It’s like politics. People pick a side and they stick to the side and go at the other side. Then they just stick with the people on their side, and put a bunch of likes on those posts even if the posts are really far out there and against the CoC (essentially bullying - but somehow bullying is ok if you agree with it???). Not everything is that bad, what you replied to isn’t that bad IMO but some of it is.
I get being passionate when you’ve been expecting to do use the RDF and you get this bombshell dropped, I really do, but sometimes (for both sides) stepping back and looking at what you’re saying to other people is a good idea, because this at the end of the day is a video game. I’ve been guilty of some of it myself on other things to be fair.
I’m mostly impartial on RDF, but sometimes respond when I think someone makes a good point. Agreeing with both sides at times has NOT earned me points as I haven’t “picked a side” but I’d rather stay genuine. I’ve also mentioned stuff to try to help that would actually fix issues such as mage boosting (the SoM changes) and those suggestions get ignored, even though they would fix 100% of dungeon boosting not just 50%, but dungeon boosting is not the issue, wanting RDF is. What can you do?
