The top guild on my server was busted for using Bots

That’s incorrect. I have firsthand experience with this running my own businesses. Here’s what really happens:

I’m inclined to believe Blizzard on this situation, as they’re the only ones who would truly one.

I don’t find “trust me bro” sources to be all that credible – sorry.

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Whatever, I believe they profit regardless of whatever you or they say.

Too many bots, too much RMT, too many clowns for me to believe a word you or Blizz says, sorry :man_shrugging:

Oh look another doom and gloom rmt thread by the poster known as LFD.

Totally not a troll guys.

Translation

“I’m wrong, and make up everything I say and no amount of evidence or proof to the contrary can change my mind”

You’re the one pretending like you work at a Bank lmao what are you on about

Just calling it how I see it. And how most people see you.

That’s all that needs to be said here.

Calling what out? This is like me joining a thread and saying i’m the game designer for WoW and therefore RMT doesn’t exist.

What if min/maxing is what makes the game fun for them?

Yeah, I know, which is the definition of a conspiracy. It’s your prerogative to hold them, my goal was only to educate on the topic.

I think we all agree on this.

Based on the (OP) history I don’t think this is anything but a troll thread but yes, anyone can run bots. They just need to either think they won’t be caught, or not care if they are.

I’ve talked to a lot of people so have a lot of stories but here’s one - there was someone on my server from a top guild who ran “pvp ranking bots” like Corpseknife described (although not all of that was botting - but some definitely was). Not only did he run the bots, but he sold services to people with them, and sold his botting “program”. He even went as far as to make a few youtube videos about how these were not bots, they were scripts, and he would not get in trouble.

When he had multiple accounts permabanned he got pretty mad, and kept having them banned and overturned, and somehow got his main account back. The craziest part is he was one of the Blizzard-sponsored tournaments after this all happened.

Overall yeah, anyone can run a bot.

You were talking about a chain of responsibility, widely known apple use communist suppliers and manufacturing, as well as been caught promoting child labor, heck their Icon is an apple with a bite out of it, direct refrence to Christianity’s story of original sin and eve taking a bite from the fruit of knowledge. So by your logic that a player with the knowledge that some players may be using RMT, but not directly with proof, and letting them in the raid is somehow supporting RMT.

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Those same people doing GDKPs are ones hosting SR/MS>OS and they look at everyone’s logs before joining.

If you look at the log of a GDKP buyer it’s 0 or trash parses, they have RMT gold by the boatload and are willing to spend upwards of 20 - 30k+ on items which is unnatural for someone in Lv 58 Boost Gear with zero parses yet they are willing to overlook that because they are profiting from it.

If you directly profit from RMT buyers then you yourself should be classified as an RMT buyer and banned to be made an example of for future people trying to do the same thing.

Thats deep.

But if you receive money from an RMT buyer for a service and then use it to purchase something that takes gold out of the economy (Like a gigantique sack or epic flying) then you are helping to fight RMT.

The better response would’ve been “No – I would never use an apple product.”

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If its gained through fraudulent means then yes… as far as theyre concerned it literally just disappears.

Also as they explained, the NET effect can still be a loss even if they did gain some money in one area

You dont appear to understand how any of this works…

Chargebacks and fraud are handled differently. You can file a chargeback for any reason, like just not being satisfied with the product, usually on a charge under $15. But if your CC number is stolen youre legally required to a full refund as long as it was run as credit not debit.

The more you know

As i’ve said before banks don’t chargeback on petty amounts or Subscriptions as Blizzard asks multiple times for users to authorize the purchase and in general it’s too abused so they not every bank offers it.

Even if a couple banks offer the $15 chargeback, many won’t so they still do directly profit off it.

The amount of people using stolen CC’s for bots is negligible, even if say their $150k a month from bots is $100k because some of those gets chargeback it’s still an insane profit and shows why they don’t act on bots.

As I said… fraud and chargebacks are not the same thing and fraud refunds are not a voluntary thing banks can “offer…” Under the FCBA theyre legally required to give you a full refund if your CC number is used online.

Youre just wrong. :man_shrugging:

Citation needed (Im just kidding, I know you don’t have one)

“HEY GUYS – I CANT NAME ANY NAMES BUT A ‘TOP GUILD’ ON MY SERVERS USES BOTS. I HOPE YOURE ALL DULY SHOCKED. PLEASE LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE FOR MORE CONTENT.” the thread

I’m speaking about chargebacks, not frauds. Frauds are a lot more rare in instances like this than chargebacks which are more common and won’t be awarded to people due to the petty amount.

Just go look up numbers of how many credit cards are used for online gaming purchases that deal with subscriptions, it is very low and most people end up paying it with legit cards on multiple bots because it’s safer and more consistent than relying on a fake CC that can get your bot banned at any time.